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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Now coaches know if we simply say sideline, they don't have to worry about what part of the sideline, they know. If we say end line, they don't have to worry about what part of the end line, they know.

Again, during a timeout, we just point to our partner on a boundary holding the ball, no need to say anything.

Raymond's most recent post is true for almost all frontcourt timeouts (but not after timeouts granted during a throwin after out of bounds violation), some frontcourt violations by the defense, and all frontcourt non-shooting fouls by the defense.

But not for any frontcourt out of bounds violations by the defense.

It's only a small sample size for me, only eleven games over the past two weeks, but I'm estimating that most (possibly slightly more than half) of my frontcourt violations by the defense, that require a front court throwin by the offense, have been due to frontcourt out of bounds violations by the defense.

Teams still need to know frontcourt inbounds plays from the endline/sideline corner, as well as every other single inch along the frontcourt endline and sidelines.

Lots of frontcourt out of bounds calls in a game, many by the defense, and lots of places where the ball can go out of bounds in the frontcourt.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... true for almost all frontcourt timeouts (but not after timeouts granted during a throwin after out of bounds violation), some frontcourt violations by the defense, and all frontcourt non-shooting fouls by the defense. But not for any frontcourt out of bounds violations by the defense.

This sounds simpler than the old rule?

I'll agree that the new rule isn't much more complex than the old rule, but it certainly isn't any simpler, as stated in the NFHS rationale.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Again, during a timeout, we just point to our partner on a boundary holding the ball, no need to say anything.

Raymond's most recent post is true for almost all frontcourt timeouts (but not after timeouts granted during a throwin after out of bounds violation), some frontcourt violations by the defense, and all frontcourt non-shooting fouls by the defense.

But not for any frontcourt out of bounds violations by the defense.

It's only a small sample size for me, only eleven games over the past two weeks, but I'm estimating that most (possibly slightly more than half) of my frontcourt violations by the defense, that require a front court throwin by the offense, have been due to frontcourt out of bounds violations by the defense.

Teams still need to know frontcourt inbounds plays from the endline/sideline corner, as well as every other single inch along the frontcourt endline and sidelines.

Lots of frontcourt out of bounds calls in a game, many by the defense, and lots of places where the ball can go out of bounds in the frontcourt.

All those words are going to distract you during a game.

Not sure what out of bounds has to do with the easiness of determining a throw-in spots for fouls and violations? Only people who have problems are those who are more concerned about not liking the mechanics than knowing the mechanics.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

All those words are going to distract you during a game.

While "distracting" is a strong word, I'll have to answer "Somewhat" based on my first eleven games.

I thought that it would be easier, but me and my partners have had to "re-adjust" the throwin spot several times in each game. Some times instinctively going to the closest spot (as I've been doing for forty-plus years), and then realizing that we have to move it to one of the four spots based on the new rule. Or, seldom, wanting to go to one of the four spots (possibly after a timeout) but then realizing that it was originally an out of bounds violation, and move it to the closest spot to the out of bounds violation.

Not just me, but all of my partners, and everybody else I've observed so far this year.

I'll get it eventually. It only took me a month to get use to two hand reporting. However, it's been a few years and I'm still stopping the clock for held balls with a "jump ball" signal instead of an open hand first.

Old dog (very old), new tricks.

And I still contend that the new rule isn't "simpler" than the old rule. What's simpler than closest spot?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by ChuckS

If anyone knows the reason why OOB throw-ins are not subject to the new rule, I would love to know.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

And I still contend that the new rule isn't "simpler" than the old rule. What's simpler than closest spot?

Now ChuckS's idea would be simpler!

[BillyMac]

... and a few "if/then" statements (just like in Mr. Fiore's ninth grade geometry class).

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I'll get it eventually.

A. Anytime a team causes the ball to go out of bounds in either the frontcourt or the backcourt, the throw-in occurs from the spot where the ball went out of bounds.
B. When a violation by either team, a foul before the bonus by either team, or dead ball (i.e., an inadvertent whistle or a held ball) occurs that will result in a throw-in, officials must ask themselves three questions:
Where did the violation/foul occur?
Is the throw-in team in its frontcourt or backcourt?
Where was the ball when the interruption occurred?
1. If the throw-in is to be in the team's frontcourt, it shall be at either the nearest 28- foot mark along each sideline or the nearest spot 3 feet outside the lane line and the end line. (Diagram 5)
2. If the throw-in is to be in the team's backcourt, the throw-in shall be at the designated spot nearest to where the foul, violation, or other stoppage in play occurred.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... and a few "if/then" statements (just like in Mr. Fiore's ninth grade geometry class).

Anybody remember "if and only if"?

I'm pretty sure that Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. does.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Not sure what out of bounds has to do with the easiness of determining a throw-in spots for fouls and violations?

Out of bounds is a violation, and an exception to the new rule.

And an out of bounds violation has and is always easy for one to determine a throw in spot

As were (past) all the things that we now use the new (four spot) rule for.

Originally Posted by ChuckS

OOB is a violation, just like the others.