Throw in Spot

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

"unsure who touched it last" and "held ball" are not the same thing, even though both use the arrow to determine possession.

So we're using the jump/held ball signal even though it's neither a jump ball, nor is it a held ball.

In this case we first stop the clock with an open hand (for out of bounds), and then go to the jump/held ball signal, even though it's neither a jump ball, nor is it a held ball, but is an alternating possession situation.

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

So we're using the jump/held ball signal even though it's neither a jump ball, nor is it a held ball.

In this case we first stop the clock with an open hand (for out of bounds), and then go to the jump/held ball signal, even though it's neither a jump ball, nor is it a held ball, but is an alternating possession situation.

For a real held ball or a real jump ball, we go straight to the jump/held ball signal, skipping the open hand (for out of bounds) signal, and then either use the alternating possession arrow, or have a real jump ball.

You're likely not going straight to the held ball signal. Most cases you are stopping clock, conferring with partner(s), then signaling held ball. Also likely needing to explain things to the table and coaches ,put ball back in play and make sure the arrow gets switched after the throw-in ends.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

For a real held ball or a real jump ball, we go straight to the jump/held ball signal, skipping the open hand (for out of bounds) signal, and then either use the alternating possession arrow, or have a real jump ball.

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

You're likely not going straight to the held ball signal. Most cases you are stopping clock, conferring with partner(s), then signaling held ball. Also likely needing to explain things to the table and coaches ,put ball back in play and make sure the arrow gets switched after the throw-in ends.

Well, the mechanic now is to always stop the clock with an open hand or a closed fist. They got rid of the "held ball" signal as a stop clock mechanism. I do not like that and still cannot do it the way they want, but some of us still are struggling with the open fist first, then held ball signal. It used to be officials did not know how to go to the held ball signal, but they changed the mechanic that used to look indecisive to me and others.

Peace

[SNIPERBBB]

I like the new procedure especially when there's a double whistle similar to block/charge plays.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

I like the new procedure especially when there's a double whistle similar to block/charge plays.

This has some merit to it.

[Camron Rust]

The consensus around here was that the change and the reason provided for the change made no sense. We stayed with the held ball signal.

Before, you actually knew if your partner across the court had a held-ball like you or some other call. If you both came up with held ball, you knew exactly where to go next.

Now, you have no idea. Does your partner have a held ball, a violation, or a timeout??? You don't know until you talk. At least with the held ball signal, you then could jump to the discussion of which came first.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The consensus around here was that the change and the reason provided for the change made no sense. We stayed with the held ball signal.

Before, you actually knew if your partner across the court had a held-ball like you or some other call. If you both came up with held ball, you knew exactly where to go next.

Now, you have no idea. Does your partner have a held ball, a violation, or a timeout??? You don't know until you talk. At least with the held ball signal, you then could jump to the discussion of which came first.

The change fell right into the feeling that you were indecisive in your ruling (before the change). That is what we used to say if you had to give the open hand signal and come up with a held ball.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

You're likely not going straight to the held ball signal.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Well, the mechanic now is to always stop the clock with an open hand or a closed fist. They got rid of the "held ball" signal as a stop clock mechanism.

Thanks guys, I screwed up my earlier post.

Actually viewed a recent IAABO video with a straight to the held ball signal that fooled me.

I fixed it.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

They got rid of the "held ball" signal as a stop clock mechanism. I do not like that and still cannot do it the way they want, but some of us still are struggling with the open fist first, then held ball signal.

Agree.

It only took me about a month (I thought that it would take longer) to get use to reporting fouls with two hands instead of one hand (and saying, "Twenty-one" instead of, "Two. One".

It's been a few years now since the change, but I'm still inconsistent with the new held ball/jump ball signal sequence.