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Old Sun Apr 02, 2023, 11:24pm
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NCAAW rules question for tech during Ch game

I need our experts on NCAAW rules for this as I don’t know the specifics of that book. I have a couple of questions about the technical foul charged late in the third quarter of the NCAAW championship game between LSU and Iowa.

1. “In a pool report, lead official Lisa Jones said the technical came when Clark didn't pass the ball to an official after the Hawkeyes had been given a delay-of-game warning for batting the ball away after a made basket earlier in the third quarter.”
My question: Is this the correct admin under NCAAW rules? NFHS is different. In NFHS, the warnings for delay go to the team and when a second warning is earned, that is also a team technical foul, not charged to any specific individual. Finally, failing to pass the ball to the nearest official following a stoppage is NOT one of the four team delay of game warnings under NFHS rules. That action is a straight technical foul to the player for delay of game.
So are NCAAW’s rules different or does this official who just worked an NCAA Final really not know the book correctly given her explanation provided above? (I certainly don’t know the NCAAW book, but I don’t work those contests. I can guarantee you that if I did, I would know it as well as the NFHS book.)

2. Second question has to do with the administration of the penalty for the technical foul. Did NCAAW revert to the way NFHS does it and scrap POI?
The sequence was a foul by an Iowa post player while an LSU opponent was shooting, this was then followed by a technical foul for another Iowa player throwing the ball away. NFHS admin: 2FTs for the fouled player, 2FTs by any LSU player, LSU throw-in at the division line. (This is what was done in the NCAAW game.) Is this correct admin or should it have been what NCAAM do? Which I believe is: 2FTs for any LSU player, the resume at the POI, which is 2FTs for the fouled LSU player with players from both teams occupying spots along the FT lane.
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Old Mon Apr 03, 2023, 07:22am
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I’m just amazed they allowed Mulkey to be on the court and gesture the entire game and did nothing about it.
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Old Mon Apr 03, 2023, 07:24am
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The action you described as a technical is listed under 10-12-3.k, which is under player / substitute technical fouls.

Penalty administration is the same as high school.

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Old Mon Apr 03, 2023, 07:39am
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Penalty administration is the same as high school.
Except for excessive TOs which is the ball to the offended team at POI; and all other admin Ts which are POI.
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Old Mon Apr 03, 2023, 07:59am
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Except for excessive TOs which is the ball to the offended team at POI; and all other admin Ts which are POI.
I was referring specifically to the penalty administration that's listed under 10-12-3 for player/substitute technicals.

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Old Mon Apr 03, 2023, 11:14am
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I think I know the answer to this question (I usually don't, though, which is why I ask). The rule cited was as follows below:

Rule 4, Section 9, Article 1F of the rulebook, which reads that a player can be assessed a foul for “attempting to gain an advantage by interfering with the ball after a goal or by failing to immediately pass the ball to the nearest official after a whistle is blown.”

My question:

Interfering with the ball after a goal clearly requires the player to attempt to gain an advantage (i.e., by slowing the other team down, I presume).

Does the 2nd part of that rule also require the player to attempt to gain an advantage (by failing to immediately pass the ball to the nearest official after a whistle is blown?)

I don't think it does, but I saw a journalist on Twitter say that because she was not attempting to gain an advantage, a Technical should not have been called, even though Iowa had already been warned for a delay of game.

I wish the rule were broken down into two separate sentences to make is crystal clear, but I think the portion coming after the comma is independent of the "advantage attempt" requirement.

Are am I wrong? (Wouldn't be the first time....today).
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Old Thu Apr 13, 2023, 03:30am
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I think I know the answer to this question (I usually don't, though, which is why I ask). The rule cited was as follows below:

Rule 4, Section 9, Article 1F of the rulebook, which reads that a player can be assessed a foul for “attempting to gain an advantage by interfering with the ball after a goal or by failing to immediately pass the ball to the nearest official after a whistle is blown.”

My question:

Interfering with the ball after a goal clearly requires the player to attempt to gain an advantage (i.e., by slowing the other team down, I presume).

Does the 2nd part of that rule also require the player to attempt to gain an advantage (by failing to immediately pass the ball to the nearest official after a whistle is blown?)

I don't think it does, but I saw a journalist on Twitter say that because she was not attempting to gain an advantage, a Technical should not have been called, even though Iowa had already been warned for a delay of game.

I wish the rule were broken down into two separate sentences to make is crystal clear, but I think the portion coming after the comma is independent of the "advantage attempt" requirement.

Are am I wrong? (Wouldn't be the first time....today).

No, the 2nd part does not require an advantage to be gained or attempted to be gained. It is for the act alone of making the ball unavailable to the official without regard to the effect.
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Old Mon Apr 03, 2023, 07:45am
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My question: Is this the correct admin under NCAAW rules? NFHS is different. In NFHS, the warnings for delay go to the team and when a second warning is earned, that is also a team technical foul, not charged to any specific individual.
In NCAAW -- one warning per delay item; a second violation of that specific delay is a T -- so some can be issued directly to players.

In FED, one warning that covers all (listed) delaying acts.
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