Oops: 6 players on court

[FlasherZ]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

2-11-11: The scorer must: Compare records with the visiting scorer after each goal, each foul, each charged time-out, and end of each quarter and extra period, notifying the referee at once of any discrepancy. If the mistake cannot be found, the referee must accept the record of the official scorebook, unless he/she has knowledge which permits him/her to decide otherwise. If the discrepancy is in the score and the mistake is not resolved, the referee must accept the progressive team totals of the official scorebook. A bookkeeping mistake may be corrected at any time until the referee approves the final score. The scorebook of the home team must be the official book, unless the referee rules otherwise. The official scorebook must remain at the scorer’s table throughout the game, including all intermissions.

I'm not arguing the outcome - the rules are the rules, even if seemingly unjust in this case. Not meaning to hijack the original thread here, but this one caught my eye and I saw the two items within a short period of each other.

Additional information as I was reading this morning -- there were apparently 3 scorebooks involved, the neutral site's book, the home book, and the away book. The home team's book had two crossed-circles for the two free throws that were made, but they had been erased at the time the officials reviewed all three books (presumably the result of comparisons by scorekeepers, because the free throws are clearly on tape). Several observers noted the neutral site scoring official spending much of her time reviewing her phone during live play. It seems it was a poorly-run contest for a state quarterfinal championship game.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by FlasherZ

Several observers noted the neutral site scoring official spending much of her time reviewing her phone during live play. It seems it was a poorly-run contest for a state quarterfinal championship game.

In the case of a neutral site state tournament game, which book is the official book: the home (higher seed, white uniform) scorebook, or the neutral site scorebook?

The answer probably varies from state to state, but the NFHS rule says the home team scorebook unless the referee rules otherwise.

Once had to give a stern warning to a home scorekeeper for wearing earphones during a game.

[Altor]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

In the case of a neutral site state tournament game, which book is the official book: the home (higher seed, white uniform) scorebook, or the neutral site scorebook?

The answer probably varies from state to state, but the NFHS rule says the home team scorebook unless the referee rules otherwise.

Once had to give a stern warning to a home scorekeeper for wearing earphones during a game.

In Ohio tournaments, at least in my area of the state, there is a neutral official scorebook at the table in addition to the two teams. At all the tournament games I've attended, that scorer has wore stripes...even before the rule requiring them to do so.

I once kept the scorebook for girls/boys JV double header when I was a senior in high school. The referee looked at me, looked at the obviously more experienced visitor scorekeeper, promptly pointed to the visitor's book and said, "This will be the official book today." Didn't hurt my feelings at all.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by FlasherZ

I'm not arguing the outcome - the rules are the rules, even if seemingly unjust in this case. Not meaning to hijack the original thread here, but this one caught my eye and I saw the two items within a short period of each other.

Additional information as I was reading this morning -- there were apparently 3 scorebooks involved, the neutral site's book, the home book, and the away book. The home team's book had two crossed-circles for the two free throws that were made, but they had been erased at the time the officials reviewed all three books (presumably the result of comparisons by scorekeepers, because the free throws are clearly on tape). Several observers noted the neutral site scoring official spending much of her time reviewing her phone during live play. It seems it was a poorly-run contest for a state quarterfinal championship game.

I have been following this a little. Apparently the discrepancy was not with the free throws, but a field goal later on that was initially credited on the scoreboard, but then removed. When that team brought it to the attention of the table and officials, both team books agreed the field goal was scored but the official book at the table did not have the field goal. The officials stuck with the official book and left the two points off.

[FlasherZ]

Originally Posted by zm1283

I have been following this a little. Apparently the discrepancy was not with the free throws, but a field goal later on that was initially credited on the scoreboard, but then removed. When that team brought it to the attention of the table and officials, both team books agreed the field goal was scored but the official book at the table did not have the field goal. The officials stuck with the official book and left the two points off.

There is a video that shows the score at 18-6, two free throws that result in the score being 18-8, and then the 2 points being removed (making it 18-6 again) less than 1 minute later (without any field goal scoring). I did see some statements about a field goal discrepancy in the book later in the game - but watching the video, it's clear the scoring error happened at the earlier mark.

Either way, a tough lesson learned for many individuals. Playoff officials, including table officials, need to be top-notch and not screwing around on their phones during live play.

https://www.wsiltv.com/news/missouri...7c15936c2.html