Shot Clock Try

[crosscountry55]

Update: My interpreter confirmed that as the whistle should have stopped the clocks and precluded expiration of the shot clock in the first place, it was correct to score the goal and award one free throw, which is what we ultimately did.


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[Raymond]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Update: My interpreter confirmed that as the whistle should have stopped the clocks and precluded expiration of the shot clock in the first place, it was correct to score the goal and award one free throw, which is what we ultimately did.


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What rule set are you using for your shot clock games?

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Raymond

What rule set are you using for your shot clock games?

The IAABO Shot Clock addendum. It’s in that newly formatted rule book that IAABO hastily put together last summer after they didn’t get their permission to re-print Fed materials renewed by NFHS.


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[Raymond]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

The IAABO Shot Clock addendum. It’s in that newly formatted rule book that IAABO hastily put together last summer after they didn’t get their permission to re-print Fed materials renewed by NFHS.


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To me that ruling makes sense. Don't know why NCAA-Men's is going with that note from A.R. 349.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Is there a monitor involved?

Was the try successful?

I believe in NCAA Men's without a monitor, there is one rule for the game clock and a different rule for the shot clock.

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I am posting the entirety of A.R. 349. The note at the end tells me we do not count a goal if it is released after the shot clock expires, even if a foul is ruled to have occurred prior to the expiration of the shot clock.

A.R. 349.
NOTE: When this play situation occurs at any other time during the game, the shot-clock violation would preclude the counting of the basket. The shooter would be awarded two free throws.

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Update: My interpreter confirmed that as the whistle should have stopped the clocks and precluded expiration of the shot clock in the first place, it was correct to score the goal and award one free throw, which is what we ultimately did.


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Originally Posted by crosscountry55

The IAABO Shot Clock addendum. It’s in that newly formatted rule book that IAABO hastily put together last summer after they didn’t get their permission to re-print Fed materials renewed by NFHS.


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Originally Posted by Raymond

To me that ruling makes sense. Don't know why NCAA-Men's is going with that note from A.R. 349.

They must be listening to me:
TO: NCAA Division I, II and III Coordinators of Men’s Basketball Officials.
Bulletin No. 4 — February 9, 2023, Videoconference Follow-Up.
Clarifications.

2. End of Shot Clock Period — To promote consistency between A.R. 167 and A.R. 349, the note in A.R. 349 shall be removed. The application of the note in A.R. 349 is inconsistent. Now, A.R. 349 shall be officiated consistently throughout the entire game in line with A.R. 167 and A.R. 349.

Play situation: Near the end of the shot clock period at any point in the game, A1 is fouled in the act of shooting, but before releasing the ball for a try. After the foul, the shot clock horn sounds, followed immediately by the release of the ball for a shot attempt. A1’s try is successful.

RULING: When a foul and a try for goal sequentially occur at the expiration of time on the shot clock, the official shall use the monitor to determine whether the foul and try occurred before the sounding of the shot clock horn. When it is determined that the foul occurred before the expiration of the shot clock, the foul shall be penalized, and the goal shall count. With the use of the monitor, the officials shall be permitted to put the exact time on the game clock when the foul occurred.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Play situation: Near the end of the shot clock period at any point in the game, A1 is fouled in the act of shooting, but before releasing the ball for a try. After the foul, the shot clock horn sounds, followed immediately by the release of the ball for a shot attempt. A1’s try is successful.

RULING: When a foul and a try for goal sequentially occur at the expiration of time on the shot clock, the official shall use the monitor to determine whether the foul and try occurred before the sounding of the shot clock horn. When it is determined that the foul occurred before the expiration of the shot clock, the foul shall be penalized, and the goal shall count. With the use of the monitor, the officials shall be permitted to put the exact time on the game clock when the foul occurred.

But what about in games when there is not a monitor?

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

But what about in games when there is not a monitor?

At the least, I think it’s implied that the basket can be counted when the foul call clearly should have stopped the clocks but didn’t. This provides a sensible allowance for definite knowledge.

But yes, the clarification needs clarification. Hopefully they will elaborate more with the next publication.


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[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

But what about in games when there is not a monitor?

Use the principles from:
A.R. 130. In a game without a courtside monitor available, and with the score tied near the expiration of time in the second half:

1. Shooter A1 is fouled in the act of shooting, but time expires before the release of the ball and the try is successful;