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Old Wed Jan 18, 2023, 07:27pm
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What other urgent things are on your mind when subs are coming into the game?
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time/score/team fouls/possession.
Table officials are "officials". We should be allowed to use them for some duties to make our job a little easier.
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Old Wed Jan 18, 2023, 10:33pm
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Table officials are "officials". We should be allowed to use them for some duties to make our job a little easier.
It was instilled in me early on to know what's going on. It not too hard to remember who fouled out. One the major reasons I had whatever success I had was because supervisors knew I was on top of everything. Joey Crawford calls it "running the game".

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Old Thu Jan 19, 2023, 11:40am
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It was instilled in me early on to know what's going on.
Each official is different in regard to what they are easily able to remember and what they aren't easily able to remember. Different officials have different priorities based on one's ability to remember.

For example, one of my regular partners was able to remember (after introducing himself) the names of all at the table (timer, home scorer, and visitor scorer) and address them by name at halftime, or during unusual situations. "Matthew. Please get both teams and the officials with three minutes left in halftime". "Mark. Please hand me the jacket behind your seat". "Luke. Please let us know when either team has used all their allotted timeouts." Amazing!

Some officials have the ability to very accurately remember the status of the alternating possession arrow, without using any type of "crutch". Here in my little corner of Connecticut, from day one of rookie mechanics training we're taught to use the "extra whistle in pocket" routine, and doing otherwise is frowned upon, although a few guys successfully use the memory-only approach.

Some officials are able to very accurately know, without consulting the scorebook (we have only a few scoreboards that show individual fouls), how many fouls "star players" have.

As for me, after over twenty-five years of working a Catholic middle school games, and now, in the twilight of my career, a few years of working public school middle school games, middle schools that, for the most part, don't show team fouls on the scoreboard, and often with students at the table, I've developed a "Spidey-Sense" of knowing when to ask the table after reporting, "Team fouls?" (usual answers, six, seven, or ten), "Bonus?", "Double bonus?" to avoid correctable error (or noncorrectable error) situations.

Over forty-plus years, I don't recall any disqualified players trying to reenter any of my games (however, how would I know if it did happen, I don't purposely keep track, leaving it up to the table), but I have had about a half dozen occasions of players not "sitting a tick" trying to reenter too early (usually involving free throws, often for technical fouls, triggering my "Spidey-Sense"), with me unilaterally (no table involved) stopping them (however, how would I know if it did happen more times, I don't purposely keep track, leaving it up to the table).
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Old Fri Jan 20, 2023, 05:33pm
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Each official is different in regard to what they are easily able to remember and what they aren't easily able to remember. Different officials have different priorities based on one's ability to remember.
While I don't purposely try remember the number of each team's timeouts, when a few timeouts have been requested and granted in the fourth period, my "Spidey Sense" will often kick in and I will stop by the table to remind the scorer to, "Please let us know when either team has used all their allotted timeouts".
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Old Sat Jan 21, 2023, 11:58am
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While I don't purposely try remember the number of each team's timeouts, when a few timeouts have been requested and granted in the fourth period, my "Spidey Sense" will often kick in and I will stop by the table to remind the scorer to, "Please let us know when either team has used all their allotted timeouts".
I'll stop at the table and ask both books to confirm the number of timeouts so if there is any discrepancy it is settled right then and there. That way I also know for a fact where we are with timeouts. And if somebody can't track timeouts for the last few minutes of a game after ascertaining that information, then maybe their concentration level is not sharp enough to referee high level basketball.

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Old Sat Jan 21, 2023, 01:06pm
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I'll stop at the table and ask both books to confirm the number of timeouts so that if there is any discrepancy it is settled right then and there.
Me too, at any break in the fourth period when I'm near the table.

I like to know when teams have one timeout left. It sets me up to be prepared to tell coaches if and when they have used their last timeout.

Keeping that in mind, I do not inform coaches that they have "one timeout left", not my job.

Also, once I have informed coaches that they have used their last timeout, I will not question them (or their players) if they request an excessive timeout, not my job.

But I will take a extra second to make sure that they aren't yelling out a play such as "Five Out", as well as being 100% sure who is requesting such.
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