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Old Sun Dec 04, 2022, 01:42pm
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The timer should let the officials know if there is a problem. By default, ff no one reports to the scorer during a timeout or intermission before the horn, the same players who finished the period (or.who played before the timeout) will come back onto the court (3-3-1-a NOTE).
It's actually the scorer's responsibility.

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3-3-1: Substitution: A substitute who desires to enter must report to the scorer ... Between quarters, at halftime and during a time-out, the substitute must report or be in position to report to the scorer ...
ilyazhito must have much more competent scorers in his Maryland/Virginia/Washington area than we have here in my little corner of Connecticut.

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I've never (forty-plus years) had a scorer tell me, "He didn't report", at the start of a quarter, overtime period, (or timeout). Never ever.
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I doubt that I would get any help from most, if not all, scorers.
And I wouldn't even bet a dime that "not reporting" never occurred in thousands of these situations over forty-plus years.

It would certainly be losing bet.
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Old Sun Dec 04, 2022, 11:58pm
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It's actually the scorer's responsibility.



ilyazhito must have much more competent scorers in his Maryland/Virginia/Washington area than we have here in my little corner of Connecticut.





And I wouldn't even bet a dime that "not reporting" never occurred in thousands of these situations over forty-plus years.

It would certainly be losing bet.
By rule, it is the scorer's responsibility. In practice, the timer is the one who actually controls the electronic scoreboard, sounds the audio signal to call the officials' attention, and displays players in the game and fouls on the scoreboard. I would check the board, make sure the timer didn't make any changes to the scoreboard, and confirm with the scorer that what the timer has is correct. .
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Old Mon Dec 05, 2022, 10:43am
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By rule, it is the scorer's responsibility. In practice, the timer is the one who actually controls the electronic scoreboard, sounds the audio signal to call the officials' attention, and displays players in the game and fouls on the scoreboard. I would check the board, make sure the timer didn't make any changes to the scoreboard, and confirm with the scorer that what the timer has is correct. .
If you aren't already doing that every time-out and intermission, you aren't going to start doing it just b/c players' numbers are up on the scoreboard.

You said in an earlier response that officials are the "you" in the following statement: Well-equipped gyms with modern scoreboards usually have the players who were in during last quarter so you can compare whether they properly subbed or not."
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Old Mon Dec 05, 2022, 11:23am
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A good scorekeeper will keep track on a piece of paper. Write the five starters in a column. Cross them off when they leave and enter in the same row the new player. The last five listed are in the game. If there are multiple subs, it doesn't matter specifically who is in for whom. Just cross off the ones leaving and enter the ones entering.

I did that when I kept score and I know some who still do it. I know some don't. At higher level games you might have a stats person who is tracking this.

Other than at the end of the game when I know who leaves to be sure they sit and don't reenter before they can, I don't really care.
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Old Mon Dec 05, 2022, 12:50pm
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A good scorekeeper will keep track on a piece of paper. Write the five starters in a column. Cross them off when they leave and enter in the same row the new player. The last five listed are in the game. If there are multiple subs, it doesn't matter specifically who is in for whom. Just cross off the ones leaving and enter the ones entering. I did that when I kept score and I know some who still do it. I know some don't. At higher level games you might have a stats person who is tracking this. Other than at the end of the game when I know who leaves to be sure they sit and don't reenter before they can, I don't really care.
Agree with bob jenkins that it, indeed, can be done.

But how often does even a "good" scorekeeper do this in an interscholastic (high school or middle school) game?

I may be wrong, but I'm guessing not often.

As I've already stated. Over forty-plus years, in literally thousands of such situations, I've never had a scorer tell me, subsequent to an intermission or a timeout, "He didn't report".

Never ever.
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Old Mon Dec 05, 2022, 01:10pm
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Little lights on a scoreboard?

Fuhgeddaboudit!

Too bad figuring out who didn't report wasn't as easy as this:

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Old Mon Dec 05, 2022, 12:41pm
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I would check the board, make sure the timer didn't make any changes to the scoreboard, and confirm with the scorer that what the timer has is correct.
I wouldn't.

In a perfect world, sure, even if it's not dictated by any mechanic, or by any rule language under Rule 2 Officials And Their Duties.

But I don't officiate in a perfect world.

I've only got one minute (or maybe thirty seconds) for me and my partner to get ready to go in the right direction (and right team) on the throwin subsequent to the intermission or timeout (or who is shooting free throws subsequent to the timeout and how many), check the scoreboard for "important" stuff like how many team fouls on both teams (or the time remaining after a timeout), beckon in any substitutes who "elect" to report, and possibly have a tête-à-tête with my partner regarding anything important or unusual occurring, or about to occur, in the game.

If it was a timeout, we also need some time to properly report the timeout to the table, and possibly notify head coaches when their team has been granted its final timeout. And if it's near the end of the game, we may wish to check with the table to make sure everything is in proper order.

In addition we may have to "dig" players out of the huddles after the warning horn sounds, while also keeping a watchful eye out for substitutes that report too late.

I'm getting tired just writing about our many timeout and intermission responsibilities. No way will I have the time to look for little lights on the scoreboard to decipher who will be "different" after the timeout or intermission and to ask the scorer if they reported. No way in Hell.

If ilyazhito can do that, to paraphrase Cary Grant in the movie Gunga Din, he's "a better official than I am".
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Old Mon Dec 05, 2022, 02:56pm
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In addition we may have to "dig" players out of the huddles after the warning horn sounds, while also keeping a watchful eye out for substitutes that report too late.
We've got a great local timer who, immediately after sounding the fifteen second warning horn, yells extremely loudly, "FIRST HORN. NO MORE SUBS".

I love this guy.

Ain't nobody going nowhere near that table to report after that.

Of course, his authoritarian announcement won't keep substitutes, who haven't already reported, from "sneaking" out onto the court with their teammates.

Unless, of course, ilyazhito is standing there saying, "Gotcha".

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