Delay Throwin Or Free Throw ...

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

He wants to know what the proper procedure is if the free-thrower is guilty of a delay, but the delay does not come after a timeout or intermission.

I already know the proper procedure for that.

10.4.5 SITUATION: The ruling official has reported the foul and has given directions to players along the lane. The official is ready to put the ball at free thrower A1’s disposal, but A1 is at the sideline talking to the coach. RULING: A technical foul for delay is charged to A1. No warning is authorized in this situation. (10-3-5c)

I also know the proper procedure is if the free-thrower is guilty of a delay after a timeout or intermission.

8-1-2: Following a time-out or intermission, the resumption-of-play procedure may be used to prevent delay. The administering official will sound the whistle to indicate play will resume. The ball must be placed at the disposal of the thrower or placed on the floor at the free-throw line and the count must begin. Either or both teams may be charged with a violation. Following a violation by one or both teams, if the offending team(s) continues to delay, a team technical foul must be ruled.

I’m still looking for rulebook and/or casebook citations if defenders delay getting into the first lane spaces on a free throw but the delay does not come after a timeout or intermission?

We have a casebook citation (below) telling us what to do after a timeout or intermission, but is there a rulebook and/or casebook citation when the delay does not come after a timeout or intermission?

9.1.2 SITUATION A: Following a time-out by Team B, A1 is given the ball for the first of two free throws even though Team B is still huddling at the bench and the first marked spaces on each side of the lane are not occupied. In this case, the lead official uses the resumption-of-play procedure even though the first spaces are not occupied, whereas in other cases, the spaces would have to be properly occupied before the official would proceed with the free throw administration. A1’s first attempt is successful. The lead official then bounces the ball to A1 for the second attempt. Team B is still at the sideline. The official again gives the signal which indicates a violation by Team B if the attempt is missed. A1 misses the second free-throw attempt. RULING: The violation will result in A1 being given a substitute attempt. Team B will be assessed a technical foul if they delay further by not -occupying the first marked spaces on each side of the lane before the ball becomes live for the substitute throw. (4-38; 8-1-2; 10-1-5b)

I’m also looking for a rulebook citation if the inbounder is guilty of a delay, but the delay does not come afer a timeout or intermission; as well as a rulebook citation if the non-inbounding team is guilty of a delay, but the delay does not come after a timeout or intermission?

We have a casebook citation (below) to cover the inbounding play, but is there an associated rulebook citation?

9.2.9 SITUATION: Following a violation, the official has properly signaled and awarded a throw-in to Team A at a designated spot. No Team A player comes to the spot even though the official has allowed ample time for them to respond. The official then places the ball on the floor and begins the five-second count …

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by billymac

i’m still looking for rulebook and/or casebook citations if defenders delay getting into the first lane spaces on a free throw but the delay does not come after a timeout or intermission?

8.1.4b

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

8.1.4b

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I’m still looking for rulebook and/or casebook citations if defenders delay getting into the first lane spaces on a free throw but the delay does not come after a timeout or intermission?

Bingo.

8.1.4 SITUATION B.

Thanks bob jenkins.

I had no idea that this was in the casebook. I wonder when was it added to the casebook?



Not after a timeout or intermission. Technical foul charged to team not getting into the first lane spaces on a free throw.

Similar to the penalty for delay by the free thrower not after a timeout or intermission. Seems fair and just.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Bingo.

Thanks bob jenkins.

I had no idea that this was in the casebook. I wonder when was it added to the casebook?

25 years ago or more

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I had no idea that this was in the casebook. I wonder when was it added to the casebook?

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

25 years ago or more

Added to the casebook in 2018-19.

Always listen to bob, except for math problems.

Note: My "go to" searchable PDF casebook is from 2016-17. Anybody have a newer version for me? Send me Forum Private Message and I'll send my real email address.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Added to the casebook in 2018-19.

It (or something substantially similar) was in 9 or 10 for many years before that (it may have been removed for a year or two and then re-appeared in rule 8).

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

It (or something substantially similar) was in 9 or 10 for many years before that (it may have been removed for a year or two and then re-appeared in rule 8).

Thanks for taking the time to help me in my quest.

[BillyMac]

That's what I was looking for. Citations.

Citations posted by bob jenkins (8.1.4 SITUATION B), and Nevadaref (9.2.9 SITUATION), with constructive criticism posted by Raymond, along with citations already posted by me, have satisfied my curiosity. Even though some casebook citations do not seem to have associated rule citations, the are no rules contrary to these casebook citations, so the casebook citations are just as good a rule citations, thus, I no longer need rule citations.



Always listen to bob.