State Level Shenanigans

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

My comment was not about your state. I was wishing that here.

I was agreeing with you that, like you, I also like in-person meetings.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I wish they would go back to the in-person meetings honestly. It was nice to ask questions and hear a person respond.

However, I can certainly understand why others would dislike such mandatory in-person meetings. Long drives. Inflexible day job work schedule. Family responsibilities. I have none of these concerns.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

... recorded meetings presentation with constant clicks of the mouse to go to the next section. And often they put things in the meetings that mean nothing to officials like advertisements or things about filing schedules or other administrative things officials have nothing to do with.

This does not sound very appealing. I certainly understand why you would prefer to go back to the in-person meetings.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

It was sometime after the 2004-05 school year that the OhioHSAA went from mandatory In-person State Rules Meetings to mandatory Online State Rules Meetings.

The OhioHSAA is divided into six Districts and for Basketball there would be approximately six to ten State Meetings in each District held in a three week period starting in late October. These meetings lasted from 75 to 90 minutes in length and both Head Coaches and Officials were in attendance with many of the meetings having over 300 people in attendance. The HCs and many Officials did not want to be there especially, especially if the nearest meeting one wanted to attend was on a Monday and everyone wanted to be at home or a bar watching Monday Night Football, !

HCs never asked questions and those Officials who wanted to ask questions, many times did not get complete answers because of time constraints.

The nice thing about the Online Meetings is that one can complete when it at a time that is convenient for one and the Meeting can be paused and returned to at a later time to complete it. Also, one can save the URL and review the Meeting later in the season if one desires.

If one does have a question one can email our State Rules Interpreter; of course, I do not email him because I have had to correct him a few times on interpretations that he should know and now he will not return my email, LOL! And Mark, Jr. is more qualified to be the State Rules Interpreter and Mark would rather answer Baseball and Softball questions, but I digress, .

The biggest drawback to online meetings is that online meetings meant a mileage deduction and dinner and drinks deduction while watching MNF at the sports bar after the meeting as long as at least one basketball situation was discussed, .

MTD, Sr.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

... one can email our State Rules Interpreter; of course, I do not email him because I have had to correct him a few times on interpretations that he should know and now he will not return my email ...

Sadly, been there, done that.

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

It was sometime after the 2004-05 school year that the OhioHSAA went from mandatory In-person State Rules Meetings to mandatory Online State Rules Meetings.

The OhioHSAA is divided into six Districts and for Basketball there would be approximately six to ten State Meetings in each District held in a three week period starting in late October. These meetings lasted from 75 to 90 minutes in length and both Head Coaches and Officials were in attendance with many of the meetings having over 300 people in attendance. The HCs and many Officials did not want to be there especially, especially if the nearest meeting one wanted to attend was on a Monday and everyone wanted to be at home or a bar watching Monday Night Football, !

HCs never asked questions and those Officials who wanted to ask questions, many times did not get complete answers because of time constraints.

The nice thing about the Online Meetings is that one can complete when it at a time that is convenient for one and the Meeting can be paused and returned to at a later time to complete it. Also, one can save the URL and review the Meeting later in the season if one desires.

If one does have a question one can email our State Rules Interpreter; of course, I do not email him because I have had to correct him a few times on interpretations that he should know and now he will not return my email, LOL! And Mark, Jr. is more qualified to be the State Rules Interpreter and Mark would rather answer Baseball and Softball questions, but I digress, .

The biggest drawback to online meetings is that online meetings meant a mileage deduction and dinner and drinks deduction while watching MNF at the sports bar after the meeting as long as at least one basketball situation was discussed, .

MTD, Sr.

The baseball/softball rule meetinfs weee worse because you never knew if it was going to sbow the day of, while you were there, on the way home Seemed like those scenarios happened avout every year/other year.

For the most part they were wastes of time unless you needed some gear from Flemings or the other suppliers that would be setup there. Basketball was basically a meet and greet
Haven't heard if the interpreter meeting will be online or in person this be year or not. I imagine its online because usually we've gotten an email for it now.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

The baseball/softball rule meetinfs weee worse because you never knew if it was going to sbow the day of, while you were there, on the way home Seemed like those scenarios happened avout every year/other year.

For the most part they were wastes of time unless you needed some gear from Flemings or the other suppliers that would be setup there. Basketball was basically a meet and greet
Haven't heard if the interpreter meeting will be online or in person this be year or not. I imagine its online because usually we've gotten an email for it now.

The OhioHSAA has not sent out an email with the Basketball State Rules Meeting information yet, but the date is already listed on MyOHSAA. The starting date is 09:00amEDT on Wed., Oct. 12th and the last date before the $50 fine kicks in is 11:59pmEST, Fri., Nov. 18th. And the last date period is 11:59pmEST, Jan. 23, 2023.

MTD, Sr.

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

The OhioHSAA has not sent out an email with the Basketball State Rules Meeting information yet, but the date is already listed on MyOHSAA. The starting date is 09:00amEDT on Wed., Oct. 12th and the last date before the $50 fine kicks in is 11:59pmEST, Fri., Nov. 18th. And the last date period is 11:59pmEST, Jan. 23, 2023.

MTD, Sr.

Interpreters meeting not the State rules meeting. Went digging in my email and they sent it so early I forgot about it. Interpreters meeting js in a couple weeks and on-line

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

Went digging in my email and they sent it so early I forgot about it.

That what happened to my friend. Cost him thousands of dollars.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Had a buddy miss the mandatory "new rules" meeting because it slipped his mind. Just dumb forgot. By the time he figured it out, all the "new rules" meetings dates throughout Connecticut and nearby states had passed. Too late to attend. After paying his dues for the year, he was assigned zero games. Ouch.

[chapmaja]

Michigan used to have in person meetings, but they were not required for more than advanced post-season assignments. They then went to online rules meetings, but only for post-season eligibility, with a couple in person meetings as well. Now the meetings are all online meetings and anyone working a high school assignment (Varsity or SubVarsity), must attend the meeting or they can't work.

As an assigner this is a pain the behind, because I try having assignments done well before the meetings are put online. If an official is assigned, but doesn't do the meeting, it becomes more work for me to replace them with another official. With that said, I do feel it has made the officiating a little bit better overall, but it is still easy to do other work while "watching" the online meeting.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by chapmaja

Michigan used to have in person meetings, but they were not required for more than advanced post-season assignments. They then went to online rules meetings, but only for post-season eligibility, with a couple in person meetings as well. Now the meetings are all online meetings and anyone working a high school assignment (Varsity or SubVarsity), must attend the meeting or they can't work.

As an assigner this is a pain the behind, because I try having assignments done well before the meetings are put online. If an official is assigned, but doesn't do the meeting, it becomes more work for me to replace them with another official. With that said, I do feel it has made the officiating a little bit better overall, but it is still easy to do other work while "watching" the online meeting.

I do not know if the California Basketball Officials Association has changed its requirements but when I was a member of the San Gabriel Valley Unit (1982-83 and 1983-84) we received our assignments in September BUT to be eligible to officiate one had to attend x number (I do not remember of meetings without going to the attic.) of meetings before the season started AND pass with at least an 85% a 200 true/false question (closed book) exam which was not given to that last scheduled meeting, with no retakes!

MTD, Sr.