2022-23 NFHS Shot Clock Guidelines State Association Adoption ...

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Not trying to disagree with you that more information would be nice, but since this is only about what happens with a shot clock not seeing the big deal right now. Most people will only work in one state where they have a shot clock or they will not in other cases. And if that is such an issue, your state representatives can make that clear.

Like JRutledge, I would also like "more information" from the NFHS, but it's been two years and "not a peep", so I'm not "holding my breath".

I only hope that individual state "representatives" figure out in advance that there's a disconnect and address it themselves.

For example an individual shot clock state may decide to go with "touch" in varsity games with a shot clock, but go with "control" for a freshman or middle school games where the state decides not to use shot clocks.

Another individual shot clock state may decide to go with "touch" for all games, at all levels, with, or without shot clocks.

Of course the states that don't use any shot clocks will still have to go with "control".

Stupid NFHS.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I only hope that individual state "representatives" figure out in advance that there's a disconnect and address it themselves.

My lack of confidence in individual states to "handle" things is due to what's been going on here in Connecticut.

Connecticut public and Catholic schools all use 100% NFHS rules, with no shot clocks.

Connecticut private prep schools use a wacky hybrid version of NFHS and NCAA rules, including a shot clock (and other rules), and we're advised (recently) to use the shot clock for the ten second count (no visible count), but we use the NFHS ten second rule (control).

How can we use the ten second rule shot clock "mechanics" if we don't use the NCAA ten second rule (touch)?

I have yet to have anyone in authority, from the officials side, or the prep school side, answer that question.

I've had private prep schools shot clock timekeepers start the shot clock during the dead ball period after a basket, probably instructed to so by their coach or athletic director. Shows how little private prep school coaches and athletics directors care about shot clock rules.

I've had fans and coaches yell "ten seconds" based on only the shot clock, not understanding the rule differences.

Nobody cares, and nobody will care care until the rule disconnect creates a controversy at the end of an important game. Hasn't happened yet, but only for the grace of God.

Instead of being proactive, were going to be reactive. Not a good place to be.

And that's why I'm such a big worrier, worrywart, and fuss-budget about this topic.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Like JRutledge, I would also like "more information" from the NFHS, but it's been two years and "not a peep", so I'm not "holding my breath".

I only hope that individual state "representatives" figure out in advance that there's a disconnect and address it themselves.

For example an individual shot clock state may decide to go with "touch" in varsity games with a shot clock, but go with "control" for a freshman or middle school games where the state decides not to use shot clocks.

Another individual shot clock state may decide to go with "touch" for all games, at all levels, with, or without shot clocks.

Of course the states that don't use any shot clocks will still have to go with "control".

Stupid NFHS.

They said what the rule was for the shot clock application. If you do not have a shot clock, you use the rule that is already stated in the book. KISS!!!!

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

They said what the rule was for the shot clock application. If you do not have a shot clock, you use the rule that is already stated in the book. KISS!!!!

JRutledge: Did you have to put the second "S" in there?

Great post. Sounds very logical and reasonable.

Would still like to hear that from my local and/or state interpreter (trainers) if we ever decide to go with a shot clock in Connecticut (not a big shot clock push yet from Connecticut scholastic basketball stake holders). Hopefully it will be handled better than our recent Connecticut private prep school shot clock ten second fiasco (see above post).

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

They said what the rule was for the shot clock application. If you do not have a shot clock, you use the rule that is already stated in the book. KISS!!!!

Peace

Originally Posted by BillyMac

JRutledge: Did you have to put the second "S" in there?

Great post. Sounds very logical and reasonable.

Would still like to hear that from my local and/or state interpreter (trainers) if we ever decide to go with a shot clock in Connecticut (not a big shot clock push yet from Connecticut scholastic basketball stake holders). Hopefully it will be handled better than our recent Connecticut private prep school shot clock ten second fiasco (see above post).

The mantra of Structural Design Engineers: Keep It Simple!! Stupid!!

MTD, Sr.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

JRutledge: Did you have to put the second "S" in there?

Great post. Sounds very logical and reasonable.

Would still like to hear that from my local and/or state interpreter (trainers) if we ever decide to go with a shot clock in Connecticut (not a big shot clock push yet from Connecticut scholastic basketball stake holders). Hopefully it will be handled better than our recent Connecticut private prep school shot clock ten second fiasco (see above post).

Some people use the last "S" as "silly."

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Some people use the last "S" as "silly."

Guilty as charged.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

They said what the rule was for the shot clock application. If you do not have a shot clock, you use the rule that is already stated in the book.

What "they said" and what trickles down to each individual shot clock state may not be exactly the same. Remember, the NFHS shot clock guidelines are only "recommended guidelines" that may vary from one shot clock state to another. It appears that the NFHS has given a lot of power to each individual state to set up their own shot clock rules (which could include the ten second rule).

[Lcubed48]

Here's my first "BillyMac" post:

KISS, an acronym for keep it simple stupid, is a design principle noted by the U.S. Navy in 1960.[1][2] The KISS principle states that most systems work best if they are kept simple rather than made complicated; therefore, simplicity should be a key goal in design, and unnecessary complexity should be avoided. The phrase has been associated with aircraft engineer Kelly Johnson.[3] The term "KISS principle" was in popular use by 1970.[4] Variations on the phrase include: "Keep it simple, silly", "keep it short and simple", "keep it short and sweet", "keep it simple and straightforward",[5] "keep it small and simple", "keep it simple, soldier",[6] "keep it simple, sailor", or "keep it sweet and simple".

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Lcubed48

KISS, an acronym for keep it simple stupid ... Variations on the phrase include: "Keep it simple, silly", "keep it short and simple", "keep it short and sweet", "keep it simple and straightforward", "keep it small and simple" ... or "keep it sweet and simple".

Thanks Lcubed48. I didn't think that JRutledge would call me "stupid".

As a scientist, I prefer Occam's Razor, the problem-solving principle that "entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity", in other words, with competing explanations, the simpler one is preferred.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Occam's Razor, the problem-solving principle that "entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity", in other words, with competing explanations, the simpler one is preferred.

In my warped mind, this (below) is the simplest solution:

Originally Posted by BillyMac

High school basketball would be best served nationally if the NFHS would either change the ten second rule, or the shot clock guideline, so that they "match", pick either touch, or control, and make it a consistent law of the land for both shot clock games and non-shot clock games, interlevel, intrastate, or interstate.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Thanks Lcubed48. I didn't think that JRutledge would call me "stupid".

As a scientist, I prefer Occam's Razor, the problem-solving principle that "entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity", in other words, with competing explanations, the simpler one is preferred.

LOL!!

MTD, Sr.