Goaltending ???

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Normally one would like this goaltending call to be emphatically made, "Count the basket", by the trail. I think that he was temporally put off by the lead's whistle, and didn't want to count the basket until he checked with his partner (travel, etc.). By watching the Red team and their fans, even when the trail makes his decision, he doesn't announce it until he gets to the table, and it was never an emphatic signal. Once the trail made his decision, I would have liked him to take a step away from his partner to an open area on the court and emphatically "slam down" the two points, "Count the basket". And only then move toward the table to answer any polite questions from the White coach ... the trail's hesitancy and lack of a emphatic signal made his call look weak.

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

If there was ever a time to sell a call by the T, this was it. Instead he waived his hand as though he just saw his grandma in the third row.

Agree with crosscountry55 that this call should have been "sold" and never really was.

However, how many times have we been encouraged not to give preliminary signals on double whistles? If the trail had immediately and emphatically "slammed down" the two points, "Count the basket", and then discovered that the lead called a travel (even though he put up a fist) before the goaltend (with a late whistle, but with the travel before the goaltend), then we'd be discussing a different type of problem.

That being said, once the crew made the decision that it was a goaltend, the trail certainly did not do a very good job of selling the call. Add that to the poor coach management, poor clock management, and the slow walk out of the gym, and we've got a lot of room for improvement here.

[MechanicGuy]

It looks like a good block to me. Not sure who the calling official was waving at. If he comes running in to close on the play, hit the whistle a few times, and emphatically count the basket, there is no confusion. Confusion and lack of clear signals/communication KILLS our credibility on tough plays, regardless of our accuracy,

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by MechanicGuy

Not sure who the calling official was waving at.

Hot single Mom in the bleachers?

[Pantherdreams]

Thread highjacking underway . . .

I think we've gone over the accuracy, validity, etc of the call enough. I would like to point out that in a High School basketball game:
- Coaches were allowed to come out onto floor and question officials.
- PLayers approaching and demonstratively arguing with officials and inciting crowd.
- While game is still going on crowd members cursing loudly enough to be heard and not being removed.
- PLayers, officials and parents chasing following officials off floor.
- Entire sections of your crowd full of parents, families and kids chanting curse words.
- The commentator blatantly accusing officials of repeatedly and intentionally impacting the result of the game.

If I'm an assigner or AD involved in this situation and I see this video. Beyond whatever feedback conversations you want to have with officials, at a school and league level there need to be adults facing suspensions from facility and games. And plans in place to not allow this to be normalized behaviour.

[ilyazhito]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

Thread highjacking underway . . .

I think we've gone over the accuracy, validity, etc of the call enough. I would like to point out that in a High School basketball game:
- Coaches were allowed to come out onto floor and question officials.
- PLayers approaching and demonstratively arguing with officials and inciting crowd.
- While game is still going on crowd members cursing loudly enough to be heard and not being removed.
- PLayers, officials and parents chasing following officials off floor.
- Entire sections of your crowd full of parents, families and kids chanting curse words.
- The commentator blatantly accusing officials of repeatedly and intentionally impacting the result of the game.

If I'm an assigner or AD involved in this situation and I see this video. Beyond whatever feedback conversations you want to have with officials, at a school and league level there need to be adults facing suspensions from facility and games. And plans in place to not allow this to be normalized behaviour.

I can't agree more. If one coach got T'd, the other wouldn't have acted up. Irresponsible behavior must have consequences.