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Old Sat Feb 19, 2022, 03:13pm
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"Hey BillyMac. How can you do that? He is my best player and now he can't play in the second half. If I had known this at the beginning of the game I would have warned him to be less aggressive and I would have reigned him in during the game. Your mistake screwed my team. You f*****g suck."
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Old Sat Feb 19, 2022, 03:15pm
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Followup Discussion ...

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... "You f*****g suck."
"What the f**k? My best player sits on bench for the rest of the game and now I have to go and sit on the cold bus in the parking lot?
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Old Sat Feb 19, 2022, 04:04pm
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" You f*****g suck."
You're right, coach.
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Old Sat Feb 19, 2022, 07:27pm
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Merci Beaucoup ...

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"You're right, coach ...
... and thank you".
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Old Sat Feb 19, 2022, 09:46pm
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"Hey BillyMac. How can you do that? He is my best player and now he can't play in the second half. If I had known this at the beginning of the game I would have warned him to be less aggressive and I would have reigned him in during the game. Your mistake screwed my team. You f*****g suck."
Coach is ejected, call game administration to escort him out. If he won't leave, call the police officer.
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Old Sun Feb 20, 2022, 01:24am
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Billy, I sought serious input from the forum on a situation for a friend and you sidetracked the thread. You do f***ing suck.
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Old Sun Feb 20, 2022, 10:30am
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Impact Of Change ...

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Billy, I sought serious input from the forum on a situation for a friend and you sidetracked the thread.
It was my attempt to humorously (obviously failed) explain what could possibly happen if officials decided to change (there is no statute of limitations here) the team technical foul to a bench technical foul coming out of halftime.

This would be a "high impact, high emotion" situation.

We have some varsity coaches here that would react in a manner very similar to the manner that I facetiously quoted.

Remember George Brett coming out of the dugout during the pine tar incident?

Odd rule "surprises", especially ones with so much impact, can really rile up both players and coaches.

Sorry if I sidetracked the thread, but I'm pretty sure that the impact of the change could affect the decision of some officials to make the change, or to not make the change, to remain silent, or to speak up.

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"Retroactively" assessing the TF to A4, due to a crew error of this kind, is unfair to A4.
As for me, knowing the possible impact, I think that I would make the change, and live with the repercussions, trying to be as patient as humanly possible with the impacted, possibly very angry, coach.
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Old Sun Feb 20, 2022, 11:03am
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Odd Rule Surprises Rile Up Players And Coaches ...

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Remember George Brett coming out of the dugout during the pine tar incident? Odd rule "surprises" can really rile up players and coaches.
1983. For the young'uns.

Enjoy.

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Old Sun Feb 20, 2022, 11:22am
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Keep It Simpler ...

Let's put it this way to lessen the impact aspect.

A4 dunks during the pregame. The officials observe this and assess a team technical foul along with an indirect to the HC. For the first half, A4 is neither charged with any additional technical fouls nor any personal fouls. At halftime the crew looks in the rulebook and sees that the technical for the pregame dunk should have been charged to A4 as a bench technical foul.

What does the referee do coming out after halftime in this "low emotion, low impact" situation?

Remain silent? Mention the mistake to the coaches and rule that nothing can be done about it? Mention the mistake to the coaches and make the change (correct the mistake)?

Should the referee do the same thing here (no immediate disqualification) as in Nevadaref's original post (possible immediate disqualification)?

What if this was "discovered" two minutes into the first period? Too late?

What would James Naismith do?

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Old Sun Feb 20, 2022, 12:36pm
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More Questions Than Answers ...

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Billy, I sought serious input from the forum on a situation ...
Nevadaref: How did I do? Better? We good?

More questions than answers, but I tried, gave it my best shot.

Still believe that an impacted angry coach (he may have good reason to be angry) is part of the equation, but should such possible repercussions affect the "right" decision, whatever it may be?

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