Huddle with coach during free throw?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

. For the OP, if the defensive players are causing a delay by huddling, you can follow the procedure for administering a delay warning. Hopefully it does not get to the point where you have to administer a technical foul for delay.

1) The offensive players can also case a delay by huddling.

2) Huddling in the lane to delay the administration of the FT is NOT what the OP was about. It was the team meeting near the bench. If the defense does not put two players in the lower blocks, it's a T, with no (official) warning and certainly not a delay warning. (Good game management will have the official tell the coach that the players are needed before resorting to the T.)

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If the defense does not put two players in the lower blocks, it's a T, with no (official) warning and certainly not a delay warning.

10-4-5: A player must not: Delay the game by acts such as:
a. Preventing the ball from being made live promptly or from being put in play.
c. The free thrower fails to be in the free-throw semicircle when the official is ready to administer the free throw unless the resumption-of-play procedure is in effect following a time-out or intermission.

10.4.5 SITUATION: The ruling official has reported the foul and has given directions to players along the lane. The official is ready to put the ball at free thrower A1’s disposal, but A1 is at the sideline talking to the coach. RULING: A technical foul for delay is charged to A1. No warning is authorized in this situation. (10-3-5c)

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

"Everybody get behind the division line” ...

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

I never say that.

Most don't. Some do.

[Altor]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Not during a timeout or intermission: Legal?

As far as I could see, he occupied a legal spot on the floor before any opponents did. During a timeout or intermission, he certainly can't be there. But during FTs? I don't know what rule he is breaking.

Unsporting?

Unsporting to the point of a TF? I can't imagine that being called for simply standing in a legal position. Poor form/bad sportsmanship? Probably. Deserved a "knock it off"? Definitely.

[ilyazhito]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

1) The offensive players can also case a delay by huddling.

2) Huddling in the lane to delay the administration of the FT is NOT what the OP was about. It was the team meeting near the bench. If the defense does not put two players in the lower blocks, it's a T, with no (official) warning and certainly not a delay warning. (Good game management will have the official tell the coach that the players are needed before resorting to the T.)

I am aware of that. However, in the OP, it appears to me that the OP was mentioning the defense, because he referenced 4 players huddling with their coach before the 2nd free throw. Only 2 players can be in the lane for the offense, so there is no way that there could be a 4-player huddle by the offense and they have 2 players in the lane at the same time.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

I am aware of that. However, in the OP, it appears to me that the OP was mentioning the defense, because he referenced 4 players huddling with their coach before the 2nd free throw. Only 2 players can be in the lane for the offense, so there is no way that there could be a 4-player huddle by the offense and they have 2 players in the lane at the same time.

Great. Still has nothing to do with the delay warning.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Altor

As far as I could see, he occupied a legal spot on the floor before any opponents did. During a timeout or intermission, he certainly can't be there. But during FTs? I don't know what rule he is breaking. Unsporting to the point of a TF? I can't imagine that being called for simply standing in a legal position. Poor form/bad sportsmanship? Probably. Deserved a "knock it off"? Definitely.

Agree. However doesn't "unsporting" literally mean "not sportsmanlike", or "bad sportsmanship"?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

I am aware of that. However, in the OP, it appears to me that the OP was mentioning the defense, because he referenced 4 players huddling with their coach before the 2nd free throw.

Sounds like offensive players to me. The shooter. Two who can be on the lane and choose not to. Two that can't be on the lane.

Originally Posted by cozzmokramer

... coach always brings his four players over to his sideline while his player shoots the first free throw. The four players huddle around him with his whiteboard, then after his player shoots the free throw those four players take their spots in the FT lane.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

I am aware of that. However, in the OP, it appears to me that the OP was mentioning the defense, because he referenced 4 players huddling with their coach before the 2nd free throw. Only 2 players can be in the lane for the offense, so there is no way that there could be a 4-player huddle by the offense and they have 2 players in the lane at the same time.

Point being, if it is the defense huddling 4 players near the coach, there is no delay warning for failing to occupy both of the bottom lane spaces, it's technical foul.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Altor

As far as I could see, he occupied a legal spot on the floor before any opponents did. During a timeout or intermission, he certainly can't be there. But during FTs? I don't know what rule he is breaking.


Unsporting to the point of a TF? I can't imagine that being called for simply standing in a legal position. Poor form/bad sportsmanship? Probably. Deserved a "knock it off"? Definitely.

As long as that opponent is not making contact with or talking to any of the Team A players who are huddled up, I have nothing. There is nothing unsporting about standing on the court outside the 3 point line and above the FTLE.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

There is nothing unsporting about standing on the court outside the 3 point line and above the FTLE.

... during a free throw.

Agree. But eavesdropping is not a "good look" for the sport.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... during a free throw.

Agree. But eavesdropping is not a "good look" for the sport.

Huddling your players other than during an intermission or time-out subjects one to eavesdropping.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Huddling your players other than during an intermission or time-out subjects one to eavesdropping.

Agree. Just because one can do it doesn't mean that one should do it.

Under extreme circumstances I can see this possibly leading to some type of unsporting altercation.

Originally Posted by Altor

Deserved a "knock it off"

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I can see this possibly leading to some type of unsporting altercation.

So work to stop that from happening (e.g., go stand by the huddle yourself -- there's clearly nothing going on at the FT that the other official can't handle) and / or deal with it when it does. Don't call it unsporting when it's just one player being near another group of players or stop that player from being there.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Agree. Just because one can do it doesn't mean that one should do it.

Under extreme circumstances I can see this possibly leading to some type of unsporting altercation.

The unsporting behavior usually comes from the huddling team who think they're entitled to tell an opponent where to stand on the court. The opponent is simply legally negating an advantage the huddling team is trying to gain.

I just stand by the huddle and remind participants to keep their hands to themselves and their comments towards their own team.

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