Correctable Error: 3pt FGA: Utah State vs Portland State Men's Game.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

I am sure that most of us have read about this game and seen a video of the Play: https://www.cbssports.com/college-ba...ortland-state/

We all know or should know that the Rule is the same for NFHS, NCAA Men's, and NCAA Women's and there are Casebook Plays and Approved Rulings across the three Rules Codes that state that this is a 3pt FG.

The Ball went through the Basket with 5:16 left in the 1st Half and the Officials scored it as a 2pt FG. At Half Time the Officials went to the Rule Book and before the 2nd Half resumed changed the FG from 2pts to 3pts.

My question is: Was this a Correctable Error? If it was a CE, then was it not too late to change it from a 2pt FG to a 3pt FG?

My two cents: It was a CE and it was too late to Correct it.

What say you? Let the fun begin.

MTD, Sr.

[BryanV21]

My understanding is that if the mistake was by the official(s) then it's not correctable as the time frame has passed, but if the error is by the table then it can be corrected.

In this case, since it was reported as a 2 point FG it had to be corrected in the time frame but wasn't. Should have been left as a 2.

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[bob jenkins]

NCAAW is different from NFHS on this, at least in gmaes with replay.

The official needs to SIGNAL the table that this will be reviewed and that SIGNAL needs to come within the CE time frame. The replay review is then held at the next media TO or immediately at the end of the quarter (whichever comes first).

If the play happens after the media timeout in the 4th quarter, then the review must happen within the CE timeframe

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

NCAAW is different from NFHS on this, at least in gmaes with replay.

The official needs to SIGNAL the table that this will be reviewed and that SIGNAL needs to come within the CE time frame. The replay review is then held at the next media TO or immediately at the end of the quarter (whichever comes first).

If the play happens after the media timeout in the 4th quarter, then the review must happen within the CE timeframe

Bob:

Question per NCAA Women's Rules: If my memory serves me correctly isn't the Replay Review for determining whether or not the FGA was from behind the 3pt Line (i.e. the Shooter was on or behind the 3pt Line)? This was straight up a Ball that was released behind the 3pt Line that went untouched through the Basket. The Officials then went to the Rules Book and the Approved Rulings and determined that it should have been scored as a 3pt FG.

Mark

MTD, Sr.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Bob:

Question per NCAA Women's Rules: If my memory serves me correctly isn't the Replay Review for determining whether or not the FGA was from behind the 3pt Line (i.e. the Shooter was on or behind the 3pt Line)? This was straight up a Ball that was released behind the 3pt Line that went untouched through the Basket. The Officials then went to the Rules Book and the Approved Rulings and determined that it should have been scored as a 3pt FG.

Mark

MTD, Sr.

I am now confused as to what happened and who "scored it a 2."

Are you saying the official knew the shooter was behind the line and still didn't signal a 3 (or showed two fingers to the table, or similar)?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I am now confused as to what happened and who "scored it a 2."

Are you saying the official knew the shooter was behind the line and still didn't signal a 3 (or showed two fingers to the table, or similar)?

Yes. It was an alley opp pass from "way downtown" that touched nothing but net.

MTD, Sr.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

My understanding is that if the mistake was by the official(s) then it's not correctable as the time frame has passed but if the error is by the table then it can be corrected.

If NFHS and NCAA correctable error rules are the same, as the grizzled old geezer states, I agree with BryanV21.

If the officials had signaled three points at the time of the play, and if the table has incorrectly marked two points, this is a bookkeeping error that can be corrected up until the officials jurisdiction ends.

However, if the officials had not signaled three points at the time of the play, this is a correctable error situation that falls under the usual constraints and time frame restrictions of the correctable error rule.

2-1-1-E: Officials may correct an error if a rule is inadvertently set aside and results in: Erroneously counting or canceling a score.

While I can't speak in regard to NCAA rules, in ancient NFHS times, when the three point arc were first painted on the court, if it was deemed a pass it would only count as two points.

But, quoth the raven, nevermore.

Am I right Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.? Nice post. Thanks.

[Nevadaref]

Team 1 2 F
PSU 29 33 62
USU 42 39 81
Game Details
DATE
12/21/21
TIME
7:00 PM
ATTENDANCE
6945
SITE
Dee Glen Smith Spectrum, Logan, UT
REFEREES
Randy Richardson, Randy Heimerman, D.G. Nelson

[Raymond]

There are no young officials worried about that play, you are. Quit being a proxy.

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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Raymond

There are no young officials worried about that play, you are. Quit being a proxy.

Exactly. It is not that deep. There are multiple locations where officials from all ranges follow certain situations and plays, this is not one that keeps them up at night.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

... officials worried ...

Originally Posted by JRutledge

... not one that keeps them up at night ...

Perplexed three NCAA-M Division I officials, so odd three point arc plays aren't as perfectly clear as some would make them out to be..

Merry Christmas.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Perplexed three NCAA-M Division I officials, so odd three point arc plays aren't as perfectly clear as some would make them out to be..

Merry Christmas.

You don't know why the call was missed, changed or adjudicated the way it was.

And as usual you have taken this conversation so many different places you don't even know what we're referencing.

We're talking about you taking this conversation to the ball hitting the shoulder of somebody outside the three-point line.

No one is sitting around worrying about that. You're worrying about that, but then you try to pawn it off as "the youngins are wondering what to do". Quit with the passive aggressive posting. All these questions are for you. You're not representing all the young officials of the nation.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

... the ball hitting the shoulder of somebody outside the three-point line ... All these questions are for you.

Yes, I would like cited answers for everybody, and everybody incudes me.

[Raymond]

Most recent communication from the NCAA-Men's rules secretary:

3. Three-Point Goal (Rule 5-1.3,.4 and .5)- These rules all seem to indicate that a player must have attempted a try for goal as defined by Rule 5-1.1 in order for a three-point goal to be awarded (Rule 5-1.4 and 5-1.5). However, A.R. 113 and 114 indicate that a “try” is not necessary to credit a threepoint goal. For the remainder of the season and until further review by the rules committee, officials should rely only on A.R. 113 and 114 and not the requirement of a “try for goal” as set forth in Rule 5-1.4 and .5.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

For the remainder of the season and until further review by the rules committee ...

Thanks Raymond.

Makes we wonder what the college rule and interpretation will be next year.