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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Right now Connecticut prep schools use NCAA shot clock rules. We may be using a high school shot clock (with rules to be determined) next year in Connecticut. So I have a certain degree of curiosity about shot clocks.

Which is why this situation in the IAABO Inside The Lines bulletin caught my attention and then I posted the situation.

I figured that the college guys would just say, "Yeah, that's correct, and we are aware of the contradictory language", but that didn't happen, and posts were made that I replied to, even though I was way out of my league, but I can read English, and I believe that something smells fishy about the situation answer based on the college experts (not sarcastic) on this thread.

OK, that would have been nice to know, but my point stands. You worry about things that those are not having an issue with. If the shot clock is set to 20 seconds after a stoppage of play where the team gets shot clock is under the game clock time, then the shot clock should be on. If the time is under 20 (or 30) seconds, it does not matter now, does it? Again, not that hard to understand unless you are really trying to not understand.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

They are not turned back on and set to 26 seconds.

I don't see that stated in the situation given. It just says to turn the shot clock back on after being off. Wouldn't the shot clock have to be "on" to set it to 20 seconds?

[Raymond]

Again: Shot clocks are set/reset to only 30 or 20 seconds, or shot clocks are left where they are. They are not turned back on and set to 26 seconds.

We (NCAA Officials) are not confused.

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[Raymond]

Again: We (NCAA Officials) are not confused.

The rule has been explained to you.

Go back and cobble together the written rules and the responses Bob and I provided.

Leave out the BillyMac assumptions and "reading into".

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[Raymond]

Billy, let's see if we can give you some insight into the rule:

With 29 seconds left in the first half Team B steals the ball in it's back court. The shot clock is turned off because we're under 30 seconds:

1) At the 26 second mark, while still in the back court B2 commits a travel.

Team A now has a front court throw-in at one of the four designated spots, what should be done with the shot clock?

2) At the 26 second mark, after advancing to the front court B2 commits a travel.

Team A now has a back court throw-in at a designated spot nearest the violation, what should be done with the shot clock?

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

...let's see if we can give you some insight into the rule ...

Thanks for reminding me just how much I don't know about NCAA shot clock rules. My fat, dumb, and happy "I don't know what I don't know" just turned into an embarrassing "I don't know".

But you've got my curiosity piqued. Answers with short explanations would be appreciated when you have a few extra minutes.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

... let's see if we can give you some insight into the rule ...

Common sense tells me that when control switches from one team to another (turnover) that team now in control should have the full thirty seconds (if there's that much time left in the period) to hit the rim with a shot.

That's based my common sense, and not based on my knowledge of NCAA shot clock rules, which I'm pretty sure are much more complicated than that.

[ilyazhito]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Billy, let's see if we can give you some insight into the rule:

With 29 seconds left in the first half Team B steals the ball in it's back court. The shot clock is turned off because we're under 30 seconds:

1) At the 26 second mark, while still in the back court B2 commits a travel.

Team A now has a front court throw-in at one of the four designated spots, what should be done with the shot clock?

2) At the 26 second mark, after advancing to the front court B2 commits a travel.

Team A now has a back court throw-in at a designated spot nearest the violation, what should be done with the shot clock?

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In 1, set the shot clock to 20 seconds. In 2, the shot clock remains off. The reasoning behind that is that 30 seconds include both the 10 seconds to cross from the backcourt to the frontcourt and 20 seconds to get a shot off while in the frontcourt.

In situation 1, since A receives the ball in the frontcourt, they do not need the additional 10 seconds to cross the division line. However, they do need time to cross the division line in 2. Because the full reset causes the shot clock to be greater than the game clock, the shot clock is turned off.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

In 1, set the shot clock to 20 seconds. In 2, the shot clock remains off. The reasoning behind that is that 30 seconds include both the 10 seconds to cross from the backcourt to the frontcourt and 20 seconds to get a shot off while in the frontcourt.

In situation 1, since A receives the ball in the frontcourt, they do not need the additional 10 seconds to cross the division line. However, they do need time to cross the division line in 2. Because the full reset causes the shot clock to be greater than the game clock, the shot clock is turned off.

Are you sure? What if the offense throws the ball to the BC? They still could have a 10-second count.

Peace

[ilyazhito]

They'll still have the count. However, since they have frontcourt possession already, they do not need the extra 10 seconds.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

They'll still have the count. However, since they have frontcourt possession already, they do not need the extra 10 seconds.

It's not FC possession, it's a FC adjacent throw-in. The thrower-in has neither back court nor front court status while the ball is at their disposal.