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Old Fri Nov 26, 2021, 03:11pm
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Are you purposely trying to confuse new officials?
I'm actually trying to make it less confusing.

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I just thought it odd that the NFHS didn't keep the basket interference situation for both (a) before the foul, and (b) after the foul, allowing us to compare apples to apples instead of forcing us to compare apples to oranges.
And I'm still curious as to why bob jenkins thinks that this is a team control foul, makes me think that I'm missing something.

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Old Fri Nov 26, 2021, 03:25pm
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I'm actually trying to make it less confusing.



And I'm still curious as to why bob jenkins thinks that this is a team control foul, makes me think that I'm missing something.

I'm here to tell you as somebody who reads your posts regularly and as someone who has a good track record of explaining rules and principles to new officials that you make things more confusing. You don't clear things up. You refer to multiple different posts and rule citations instead of asking a direct question.

If I'm a teaching a new official that the ball is immediately dead when a player control foul is committed, I don't want you coming behind me and saying "what if it's a basket interference","what if it's a goaltending?". That confuses new officials trying to learn.

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Old Fri Nov 26, 2021, 03:34pm
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... instead of asking a direct question.
My question was pretty direct:

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What if (b) had been a basket interference (doesn't have to be a try) situation?
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Old Fri Nov 26, 2021, 03:48pm
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... teaching a new official that the ball is immediately dead when a player control foul is committed, I don't want you coming behind me and saying "what if it's a basket interference","what if it's a goaltending?".
Agree, but the casebook play in question, not me (I didn't write the casebook play, nor did I first bring it to the attention of the Forum), took your simple lesson (ball is immediately dead when a player control foul is committed) to the next level.

The purpose of the casebook play was to compare the ruling on a player control foul before a violation to a ruling on player control foul after a violation.

I just thought that it would have been simpler to demonstrate that by comparing apples to apples, having the violations be the same, be it basket interference, or goaltending, in both situations, both before and after the player control foul.
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