NFHS Shot Clock Guidelines ...

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Raymond

What is rule 5-5-3?

Running clock, as established by state adoption. No shot clock during these times.

Originally Posted by bwburke94

So, if I'm reading this correctly: 18 resets to 20, but 19 stays at 19?

That's what it ways, but it's likely a typo. Is should say "19 or less" not "less than 19" so19 should reset to 20 (imo).

There;s also a likely typo in:
Start the shot clock when:
A player inbounds legally touches or is touched by the ball on a throw-in; or
A team initially gains control after a jump ball or unsuccessful try for goal; or
Control of a loose ball is gained after a jump ball; or
Unsuccessful try for goal.

That bolded part should not have a semicolon and should continue on the same line

[Nevadaref]

Use the shot clock to administer the 10-second backcourt count (9-8).
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Start the shot clock when:
A player inbounds legally touches or is touched by the ball on a throw-in


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The above does not mesh with the current NFHS rule for ten seconds in the backcourt as a tipped or deflected throw-in pass will cause the shot clock to begin prior to the establishment of control inbounds.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Use the shot clock to administer the 10-second backcourt count (9-8).

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Start the shot clock when:

A player inbounds legally touches or is touched by the ball on a throw-in





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The above does not mesh with the current NFHS rule for ten seconds in the backcourt as a tipped or deflected throw-in pass will cause the shot clock to begin prior to the establishment of control inbounds.

Not the first time the rules editors don't pay attention to the details.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Use the shot clock to administer the 10-second backcourt count (9-8) & Start the shot clock when: A player inbounds legally touches or is touched by the ball on a throw-in. The above does not mesh with the current NFHS rule for ten seconds in the backcourt as a tipped or deflected throw-in pass will cause the shot clock to begin prior to the establishment of control inbounds.

Originally Posted by Raymond

Not the first time the rules editors don't pay attention to the details.

Connecticut private prep schools use a stupid hybrid combination of NCAA and NFHS rules, including a shot clock for varsity games. I noticed the unintended consequence that Nevadaref noted in my prep school games while using the NCAA shot clock to "count" the NFHS 10-second backcourt rule.

Stupid Connecticut private prep school NCAA/NFHS hybrid rules.

Stupid NFHS.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Connecticut private prep schools use a stupid hybrid combination of NCAA and NFHS rules, including a shot clock for varsity games. I noticed the unintended consequence that Nevadaref noted in my prep school games while using the NCAA shot clock to "count" the NFHS 10-second backcourt rule.

Stupid Connecticut private prep school NCAA/NFHS hybrid rules.

Stupid NFHS.

I do not see this as an issue or a hybrid situation. I see this if you use the shot clock then the shot clock takes over for the 10-second violation usage. Why not use the shot clock? Everyone can see it and it also makes it easier to judge. No complaining you were too fast or two long, there is a hard fast gauge to determining the timing of the count. The only issue is it must be started properly but that is the case at the college level too. But not much of an issue.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not see this as an issue or a hybrid situation. I see this if you use the shot clock then the shot clock takes over for the 10-second violation usage.

But the current NFHS ten second rule doesn't fully allow for that.

It's most likely nit picking but it's also an unintended consequence of combining rule sets without attention to detail.

New NFHS shot clock guidelines say to start the shot clock and to use the shot clock for the ten second count on a "touch".

Current NFHS rules says to start the the ten second count on a "possession".

95-plus % of the time the "touch" and the "possession" will be at exactly the same time.

5-minus % of the time the "touch" and the "possession" won't be the same and the "possession" may trail the "touch" by one, or more, seconds (muff, deflection, etc.).

The NFHS will eventually have to change its "use the shot clock for ten second count" guideline, or change the ten second rule from "possession" to "touch", to align the ten second rule with the new non-visual count (use the shot clock) "mechanic".

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

But the current NFHS ten second rule doesn't fully allow for that.

But you are adding a completely different element into the game. So this is something that is used at levels that use the shot clock. Again, only applies if the shot clock is used. If not, then you do not have anything to worry about.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

It's most likely nit picking but it's also an unintended consequence of combining rule sets without attention to detail.

New NFHS shot clock guidelines say to start the shot clock and to use the shot clock for the ten second count on a "touch".

Current NFHS rules says to start the the ten second count on a "possession".

95-plus % of the time the "touch" and the "possession" will be at exactly the same time.

Again, I am aware of the difference, but if you do not have a shot clock there is no reason to worry about this. Because if you did have a shot clock and the time got to 25 and no violation, you would cause other issues or complaints. So why not put them together if using the shot clock? I think this was very intentional on the part of the NF. You would almost have to create two separate rules in the rulebook for something not used in many cases.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

5-minus % of the time the "touch" and the "possession" won't be the same and the "possession" may trail the "touch" by one, or more, seconds (muff, fumble, deflection, etc.).

The NFHS will eventually have to change its "use the shot clock for ten second count" guideline, or change the ten second rule from "possession" to "touch", to align the ten second rule with the new "mechanic".

No one said it would be the same. But again the NCAA and NBA already do this in their games. The officials do not have a visible count because the clock is the timing device used. That is why the rule also said to give a visible count when the shot clock is turned off or not being used (less than 35 seconds).

I am glad if they are implementing the shot clock, we do the same at all levels in this case.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Use the shot clock to administer the 10-second backcourt count (9-8).
&
Start the shot clock when:
A player inbounds legally touches or is touched by the ball on a throw-in


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The above does not mesh with the current NFHS rule for ten seconds in the backcourt as a tipped or deflected throw-in pass will cause the shot clock to begin prior to the establishment of control inbounds.

Well but it does fit the NCAA model of how they use the shot clock. So right, wrong or indifferent, that is exactly how the NCAA applies the rules (at the NCAA Men's level for sure).

But again this is a state-adopted rule, so if you do not use the rule, then the rest should not really matter right?

Peace