NFHS Shot Clock Guidelines ...

[bwburke94]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Re-setting the shot clock not to the full shot clock amount: Reset the shot clock to 20 seconds when there is an intentionally kicked or fisted ball with less than 19 seconds on the shot clock.

So, if I'm reading this correctly: 18 resets to 20, but 19 stays at 19?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Raymond

What is rule 5-5-3?

Running clock, as established by state adoption. No shot clock during these times.

Originally Posted by bwburke94

So, if I'm reading this correctly: 18 resets to 20, but 19 stays at 19?

That's what it ways, but it's likely a typo. Is should say "19 or less" not "less than 19" so19 should reset to 20 (imo).

There;s also a likely typo in:
Start the shot clock when:
A player inbounds legally touches or is touched by the ball on a throw-in; or
A team initially gains control after a jump ball or unsuccessful try for goal; or
Control of a loose ball is gained after a jump ball; or
Unsuccessful try for goal.

That bolded part should not have a semicolon and should continue on the same line

[Nevadaref]

Use the shot clock to administer the 10-second backcourt count (9-8).
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Start the shot clock when:
A player inbounds legally touches or is touched by the ball on a throw-in


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The above does not mesh with the current NFHS rule for ten seconds in the backcourt as a tipped or deflected throw-in pass will cause the shot clock to begin prior to the establishment of control inbounds.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Use the shot clock to administer the 10-second backcourt count (9-8).

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Start the shot clock when:

A player inbounds legally touches or is touched by the ball on a throw-in





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The above does not mesh with the current NFHS rule for ten seconds in the backcourt as a tipped or deflected throw-in pass will cause the shot clock to begin prior to the establishment of control inbounds.

Not the first time the rules editors don't pay attention to the details.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Use the shot clock to administer the 10-second backcourt count (9-8) & Start the shot clock when: A player inbounds legally touches or is touched by the ball on a throw-in. The above does not mesh with the current NFHS rule for ten seconds in the backcourt as a tipped or deflected throw-in pass will cause the shot clock to begin prior to the establishment of control inbounds.

Originally Posted by Raymond

Not the first time the rules editors don't pay attention to the details.

Connecticut private prep schools use a stupid hybrid combination of NCAA and NFHS rules, including a shot clock for varsity games. I noticed the unintended consequence that Nevadaref noted in my prep school games while using the NCAA shot clock to "count" the NFHS 10-second backcourt rule.

Stupid Connecticut private prep school NCAA/NFHS hybrid rules.

Stupid NFHS.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Connecticut private prep schools use a stupid hybrid combination of NCAA and NFHS rules, including a shot clock for varsity games. I noticed the unintended consequence that Nevadaref noted in my prep school games while using the NCAA shot clock to "count" the NFHS 10-second backcourt rule.

Stupid Connecticut private prep school NCAA/NFHS hybrid rules.

Stupid NFHS.

I do not see this as an issue or a hybrid situation. I see this if you use the shot clock then the shot clock takes over for the 10-second violation usage. Why not use the shot clock? Everyone can see it and it also makes it easier to judge. No complaining you were too fast or two long, there is a hard fast gauge to determining the timing of the count. The only issue is it must be started properly but that is the case at the college level too. But not much of an issue.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not see this as an issue or a hybrid situation. I see this if you use the shot clock then the shot clock takes over for the 10-second violation usage.

But the current NFHS ten second rule doesn't fully allow for that.

It's most likely nit picking but it's also an unintended consequence of combining rule sets without attention to detail.

New NFHS shot clock guidelines say to start the shot clock and to use the shot clock for the ten second count on a "touch".

Current NFHS rules says to start the the ten second count on a "possession".

95-plus % of the time the "touch" and the "possession" will be at exactly the same time.

5-minus % of the time the "touch" and the "possession" won't be the same and the "possession" may trail the "touch" by one, or more, seconds (muff, deflection, etc.).

The NFHS will eventually have to change its "use the shot clock for ten second count" guideline, or change the ten second rule from "possession" to "touch", to align the ten second rule with the new non-visual count (use the shot clock) "mechanic".

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Use the shot clock to administer the 10-second backcourt count (9-8).
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Start the shot clock when:
A player inbounds legally touches or is touched by the ball on a throw-in


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The above does not mesh with the current NFHS rule for ten seconds in the backcourt as a tipped or deflected throw-in pass will cause the shot clock to begin prior to the establishment of control inbounds.

Well but it does fit the NCAA model of how they use the shot clock. So right, wrong or indifferent, that is exactly how the NCAA applies the rules (at the NCAA Men's level for sure).

But again this is a state-adopted rule, so if you do not use the rule, then the rest should not really matter right?

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bwburke94

So, if I'm reading this correctly: 18 resets to 20, but 19 stays at 19?

Just means that if you are lower than 20 seconds during this specific event, you reset to 20 seconds for a kicked or fisted ball violation by the defense.

I think they tried to be a little cute with the wording.

Here is the NCAA Men's Rule wording. Some of this does not apply to the NF at all.

c. Reset to 20 seconds or the time remaining (whichever is greater) when the following occurs:
1. A personal or technical foul is assessed to the defensive team and the ball is to be inbounded in the front court; (Does not apply to the NF)
2. When a kicking the ball/fisting violation is committed by the defense and the ball is to be inbounded in the front court or backcourt; Note: This rule applies only when the foul or violation in 1 or 2 above occurs prior to a try for goal which hits the ring or flange.

Peace