Fun With A Block/Charge ...

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Who is the best to work a state final? JRutledge with fist blocks and finger points? Or the exact same JRutledge but with open hand blocks and open palm points? Who will be the best role model for young officials who are looking for a top notch official to emulate?

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Simple answer. The one that gets the plays right ... calm in the storm ... experience and understanding ...

In my hypothetical JRutledge questions, both versions of JRutledge got the plays right.

Why not an official that can do both, gets the plays right; and knows rules, mechanics, and signals? They're not mutually exclusive.

Granted, they're probably rare birds, but they do exist, I know because we have a few here in my little corner of Connecticut.



I 100% agree with JRutledge. As a coach looking for a good official to work my game, or as an official looking for a good partner, I would value an official that gets plays right, is calm in a storm, and has experience and understanding; over a rules, mechanics, and signals expert who doesn't know if the basketball is stuffed, or inflated.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

In my hypothetical JRutledge questions, both versions of JRutledge got the plays right.

Why not an official that can do both, gets the plays right; and knows rules, mechanics, and signals? They're not mutually exclusive.

I have never been under the impression that the signals were to dictate every specific positioning of every finger and hand. Now if that is the case, then they could easily make this stated in other literature. I do not see anyone in other sports having that same position. I do not see anyone say a thing about a holding signal that is not off to the side and more in the middle of the torso, but we worry about if you do not use all the same fingers in the diagram or complain what your hand position is on a block. If we are going to be detailed in our mechanic, then do it with everything.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Which version of JRutledge is the winking JRutledge?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Which version of JRutledge is the winking JRutledge?

I am sure you will make a long post about it and answer yourself in the same topic.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

... signal that is not off to the side and more in the middle of the torso ...

Back when we (IAABO) were using one hand reporting we were told not to report with our hand in front of our body but to keep the hand slightly off to one side, to supposedly make it easier for the scorekeeper to observe.

Of course, with two hand reporting, that no longer applies.

I get the feeling that IAABO is more anal about consistent signals than most, if not all, non-IAABO organizations. Might have something to do with IAABO being an educational organization as much as an assigning organization.

And as usual, when in Rome, check your local listing, and different is not necessarily better, or worse, just different.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Of course, with two hand reporting, that no longer applies.

Did, and still do, disagree with the change.

https://www.armystudyguide.com/conte...military.shtml

"Red. Tree Fife. Push."

Have to go now and yell at the neighbor kids to get off my front lawn or I won't turn the hose on them.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Back when we (IAABO) were using one hand reporting we were told not to report with our hand in front of our body but to keep the hand slightly off to one side, to supposedly make it easier for the scorekeeper to observe.

I get the feeling that IAABO is more anal about signals than most, if not all, non-IAABO organizations. Might have something to do with IAABO being an educational organization as much as an assigning organization.

And as usual, when in Rome check your local listing, and different is not necessarily better, or worse, just different.

I look at that as very different than what I am saying. There is a practical reason you give the number away from your face. It might be hard to determine the numbers because you have your face as a background. That might actually cause confusion. But if I do not give the "holding" signal off to my right hand side of my body, does anyone really not know what I just called as a result? What about if it is further in inside my torso? IJS seems a little silly to be that specific or have that kind of mirroring detail.

And this is not just an IAABO thing there are people across the country that have similar silly expectations. Not everyone to the extent we are discussing this, but many places it is not the biggest priority. That kind of stuff we usually have nothing much else to say if we have to correct someone's signal. Or you are so new you have no idea what to do.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

That kind of stuff we usually have nothing much else to say if we have to correct someone's signal. Or you are so new you have no idea what to do.

Agree. Teach the correct way, make some early observation signal corrections if needed, and then, don't waste any more time and move on to the really important stuff.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

If an instructor has three choices, the right way, the wrong way, or don't teach either way, why would an instructor chose anything but the right way?

Originally Posted by JRutledge

... many places it is not the biggest priority.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... when in Rome, check your local listing, and different is not necessarily better, or worse, just different.

Our local trainers/interpreters occasionally teach which hand to stop the clock, or which hand to chop in time, in different situations. Not stressed, but just mentioned, and almost never critiqued.

My personal view is to just get the hand/fist up, everything else (left hand, right hand) is just gravy.

Wait? Who doesn't like gravy?

My Italian/Sicilian/American in-laws called tomato sauce "gravy". Who puts gravy on spaghetti? Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.?

[BillyMac]

Disclaimer: For IAABO eyes only. Below is not a NFHS interpretation, it's only an IAABO International interpretation which obviously doesn't mean a hill of beans to most members of this Forum.

https://storage.googleapis.com/refqu...%2F77o5w%3D%3D

IAABO Play Commentary Correct Answer: This should have been ruled a Player Control Foul.

Defender White #4 obtains a legal guarding position by placing his body in the path of the ball handler and having two feet on the playing court, and facing his opponent. (4-23-11, 4-23-2) Since the defender obtained a legal guarding position, the player with the ball must get their head and shoulders past the torso of the defensive player. If contact occurs on the torso of the defensive player, the dribbler is responsible for the contact. (4-7-2b)

In this play, the ball handler contacts the defender in the right shoulder area and displaces him before attempting a try for goal. Since the ball handler failed to get head a shoulder past the defender, the shooter is responsible for the contact. 88% of respondents were correct to agree that a player control foul should have been ruled on this play.

Here is the breakdown of the IAABO members that commented on the video: This should have been ruled a Player Control Foul 88% (including me). This is correctly ruled a blocking foul 12%.