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Old Tue Mar 09, 2021, 08:31pm
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NFHS Substitution Rule

Anyone ever seen this rule requested by a team captain?

[Rule 3-3-1e]
The official shall grant a captain's request for a defensive match-up if
three or more substitutes from the same team enter the game during a
substitution opportunity.
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Old Tue Mar 09, 2021, 09:40pm
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Like maybe once. And it was after a change or clarification of the rule like the next year after the wording change that was made. Never had it happen since.

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Old Tue Mar 09, 2021, 09:47pm
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Nope. I think this is one of those relic rules that may have been exercised more frequently decades ago when being a captain meant something and the officials actually remembered who that person was more than three seconds after the pre-game conference ended.


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Old Tue Mar 09, 2021, 09:57pm
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There is a local coach who has an extremely high basketball IQ, officiated for awhile, and had a cup of tea as an NBA player who has utilized it on multiplre occasions. I'm convinced that sometimes he does it just to see if an official knows the rule.

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Old Tue Mar 09, 2021, 10:14pm
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Is this still a rule or has it been changed?
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Old Tue Mar 09, 2021, 10:30pm
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Is this still a rule or has it been changed?
Still a rule.
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Old Wed Mar 10, 2021, 08:20am
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Anyone ever seen this rule requested by a team captain?

[Rule 3-3-1e]
The official shall grant a captain's request for a defensive match-up if
three or more substitutes from the same team enter the game during a
substitution opportunity.
All the time.
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Old Wed Mar 10, 2021, 08:53am
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All the time.
I've never seen it requested. So how long does the team captain get to make a matching substitution(s)? Wouldn't this be a way essentially gain extra time outs and/or to slow down teams who like to run 5 players in at a time 5 like Grinnell?
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Old Wed Mar 10, 2021, 09:04am
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I've never seen it requested. So how long does the team captain get to make a matching substitution(s)? Wouldn't this be a way essentially gain extra time outs and/or to slow down teams who like to run 5 players in at a time 5 like Grinnell?
If you run in 5 subs, the opponent is allowed to matchup. Maybe Grinnell should run in 2 subs at a time to avoid the delays.
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Old Wed Mar 10, 2021, 09:10am
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I must have missed something. Who is Grinnell?
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Old Wed Mar 10, 2021, 09:23am
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Mistakenly Disappeared ...

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... after a change or clarification of the rule like the next year after the wording change that was made ...
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Is this still a rule or has it been changed?
Not sure it was changed, or clarified, but it did mistakenly disappear from the rulebook for a few years. After a high school coach friend of mine asked me if it was a real rule or just something the guys at the YMCA made up, I tried to look it up and it was gone. My local interpreter looked into it and suggested that I contact the NFHS, which I did and it was put back into the rulebook in 2003-04.
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Old Wed Mar 10, 2021, 09:29am
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... decades ago when being a captain meant something and the officials actually remembered who that person was more than three seconds after the pre-game conference ended.
Connecticut COVID protocols include only allowing the referee, and the head coach and one captain from each team at the pregame coaches-officials-captains pregame meeting. Makes for a streamlined meeting. Let's keep the guideline next year.
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Old Wed Mar 10, 2021, 09:32am
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Three Jump Ball Circles ...

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So how long does the team captain get to make a matching substitution(s)?
We used to do these lineup matchups around one of the three jump ball circles, back when there were three jump ball circles.
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Old Wed Mar 10, 2021, 09:36am
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I've never seen it requested. So how long does the team captain get to make a matching substitution(s)? Wouldn't this be a way essentially gain extra time outs and/or to slow down teams who like to run 5 players in at a time 5 like Grinnell?
The rule does not mention anything about "matching substitutions."
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Old Wed Mar 10, 2021, 09:45am
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Connecticut COVID protocols include only allowing the referee, and the head coach and one captain from each team at the pregame coaches-officials-captains pregame meeting. Makes for a streamlined meeting. Let's keep the guideline next year.
Let's get rid of the pregame shenanigans period.
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