2000-2001 Interp

[BillyMac]

I just added Indianaref's situation to my list of Misunderstood Basketball Rules. Are the statements thorough in covering such "up and down" situations? Anything missing? Are there any errors?

The shooter can retrieve one’s own airball, if the official considers it to be a shot attempt. It is not a violation for that player to start another dribble at that point.

When an airborne player keeps control of an attempted shot that is blocked, is unable to release the ball, and returns to the floor with it, that player has not traveled; it is a held ball.

If, in a similar situation, the defender simply touches the ball, the airborne shooter maintains control of the ball, chooses not to release the ball, and returns to the floor holding the ball, it’s a traveling violation.

If, in another similar situation, the shooter loses control of the ball because of the block, then this is simply a blocked shot. It is not a violation for that player to start another dribble at that point.

When an airborne player tries for goal, sees that the try will be blocked, purposely drops the ball, and touches the ball after it hits the floor, that player has traveled by starting a dribble with the pivot foot off the floor.

When an airborne shooter is preparing to release the ball on a shot attempt, and instead of releasing the ball on the try, the airborne shooter fumbles the ball (while still in the air), drops it, and then returns to the floor and secures possession of the ball, it’s a traveling violation. In this situation, while airborne, the ball must be released for a try or pass.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

When an airborne shooter is preparing to release the ball on a shot attempt, and instead of releasing the ball on the try, the airborne shooter fumbles the ball (while still in the air), drops it, and then returns to the floor and secures possession of the ball, it’s a traveling violation. In this situation, while airborne, the ball must be released for a try or pass.

How can I change this statement, in a simple manner, to account for the ball being touched by an opponent, or a teammate, before the airborne shooter touches it, thus allowing a subsequent possession and/or a dribble?

Or, should it not be mentioned at all?

This "up and down" paragraph is already long enough, and my entire list is a lot longer than I envisioned it when first written fifteen years ago.

I never meant to clarify, in simple language, every rule in the book, just commonly misunderstood rules; misunderstood because of complex language, different rule sets at different levels, or garden variety "myths".

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

How can I change this statement, in a simple manner, to account for the ball being touched by an opponent, or a teammate, before the airborne shooter touches it, thus allowing a subsequent possession and/or a dribble?

How's this?

When an airborne shooter fumbles the ball (while still in the air) instead of releasing the ball on a try, drops the ball, and then returns to the floor and secures possession of the ball, it’s a traveling violation. Also in this situation, if the fumbled ball is touched by another player before the airborne shooter touches it, it’s not a violation for that player to take possession of the ball and that player can legally start a dribble.

[ilyazhito]

Why is it a travel? AFAIK, a travelling violation requires player control of the ball, which is lost when a player fumbles. The reason why the ordinary "up and down", i.e. jumping in possession of the ball and landing with the ball, is a travel is that a player removes and replaces his pivot foot without releasing the ball. He controls the ball, yet tries to cheat the restrictions on moving the pivot foot = TRAVEL.

A player who fumbles the ball accidentally loses control of the ball, does not look to gain an advantage (rather he puts himself at a disadvantage), and has released the ball, although unintentionally. Once the ball has left his hands, he has no control of the ball, and no pivot foot. Therefore, it makes no sense why a player who fumbles the ball on an attempted try should be punished with a travel, in the same way that the NBA rule penalizing a player who shoots an airball and catching his own rebound with a travel also makes no sense.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

Why is it a travel?

Becasue the rules does NOT ONLY say "it's a travel to lift the pivot foot and replace it" (your example); the rule ALSO says "it's a travel to lift the pivot foot and then NOT release the ball on a pass or try"

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

Why is it a travel? AFAIK, a travelling violation requires player control of the ball, which is lost when a player fumbles. The reason why the ordinary "up and down", i.e. jumping in possession of the ball and landing with the ball, is a travel is that a player removes and replaces his pivot foot without releasing the ball. He controls the ball, yet tries to cheat the restrictions on moving the pivot foot = TRAVEL.

A player who fumbles the ball accidentally loses control of the ball, does not look to gain an advantage (rather he puts himself at a disadvantage), and has released the ball, although unintentionally. Once the ball has left his hands, he has no control of the ball, and no pivot foot. Therefore, it makes no sense why a player who fumbles the ball on an attempted try should be punished with a travel, in the same way that the NBA rule penalizing a player who shoots an airball and catching his own rebound with a travel also makes no sense.

A few years ago the rules committee for NCAAM had similar thoughts and passed a ruling which is contrary to that of the NFHS.

The rationale at the NBA level for prohibiting a player from catching his own airball is that those athletes are so quick and can jump so well that they would take advantage of this situation in order to score easy baskets from close range.