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[BigT]

HS basketball game.

https://www.ksl.com/watchit/event/47451

This play happens at the 24:00 mark or with seconds to go in the 1st quarter.

In HS with LGP there no distance involved between defender and offensive player.

In other levels they have the cylinder.

If anyone have the chance could you tell me if this was a CC or ICC and your reasons.

Thanks in advance

PS I tried to figure out how to just get a segment of this video to show instead of sending the whole game but I suck.

[JRutledge]

He flopped. You going to do all the antics while in many ways while bumping the ball handler, you are not getting much benefit of the doubt. Being hit in the face is not an automatic foul. The ball handler is allowed his verticality too. The only thing about the other levels, they address this in detail while the NF just never addresses the changes of the day in the game or the philosophies. I have no issues with the call.

Peace

[BigT]

He actually gets a bloody nose. Since he was physically hit I cant tell how much he aggerated the contact or reacted to his nose being hit.

I do like the call yet by HS rule isnt he allowed to get as close as possible without making contact?

Thanks again for your input.

[JRutledge]

I will put it this way. I see hands on the ball handler too which was before the contact. The ball handler did not appear to seek the contact of the defender, the defender was touching the ball handler. So again if that is the case I would rule this contact with the face incidental. If he seeked out to make contact with the elbow, then maybe.

Again this is a situation I think the NF needs to address better but just because you had contact with an elbow, does not mean it is automatically a foul.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

... just because you had contact with an elbow, does not mean it is automatically a foul.

Agree, and the NFHS agrees with both of us:

2012-13 Points Of Emphasis Contact Above The Shoulders
Examples of illegal contact above the shoulders and resulting penalties.
1. Contact with a stationary elbow may be incidental or a common foul.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

...this is a situation I think the NF needs to address better ...

Agree, like having it in the current rulebook and casebook instead of just being an eight year old Point Of Emphasis.

[Valley Man]

3 seems to be what we call a "sh^^ put-er in-er"

go back before the play and he attempts a well contest 3 on the corner and wants a foul

then he does this

agree I like the call

[Raymond]

Defender is moving his head forward at the time of contact, unfortunately he led with his nose. That he is the one who ended up blood doesn't mean his opponent is responsible for the contact. I don't see what R22 did that we could deem illegal in order to give him a PC foul.

Yes, NCAA-Men's this would be a cylinder play.

[BigT]

Thank you both.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Defender is moving his head forward at the time of contact, unfortunately he led with his nose.

As did the ball handler, who led with his forehead.

Nothing? Incidental contact? Double foul? Defensive foul? Hand check? Player control foul?

[Jfpdi]

Good foul call for hands on the ball handler. I would deem the head to head contact incidental.