pregame dunk

[LRZ]

"This is a bad part of a case play."

The case plays says to tell the offender and the head coach, but it doesn't prevent the official from also telling the other players not to dunk: "Son, that's a T. Listen up, everybody, don't dunk!"

Preventive officiating (from that point on), problem solved.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by LRZ

The case plays says to tell the offender and the head coach, but it doesn't prevent the official from also telling the other players not to dunk: "Son, that's a T. Listen up, everybody, don't dunk!" Preventive officiating (from that point on), problem solved.

I'm not a big fan of a "Hey everybody. Look at me." pregame whistle, but it would definitely let everybody in the gym, players on both teams, coaches, fans, police officer in the corner, priest on the bench, hot single Mom selling hot dogs in the concession stand, know that there will be no ignoring of pregame dunking that night.

[LRZ]

Stop it, BillyMac. You can accomplish this without becoming the center of attention. You've never stepped towards players on the layup line and said to them all, "tuck your shirts in" or something like that? And it need not be shouted, it can be done in a conversational tone.

I wish you'd stop channeling Mark Padgett; it's rarely amusing.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by LRZ

You can accomplish this without becoming the center of attention.

I was referring to sounding a whistle. A whistle seven minutes before the game begins would most certainly elicit attention.

Originally Posted by LRZ

You've never stepped towards players on the layup line and said to them all, "tuck your shirts in" or something like that?

"Tuck your shirts in"? Layup line? Never. I've got bigger fish to fry.

Earrings, undershirts, headbands, wrist bands, sleeves, earphones, long fingernails, making me decide if it's a dunk or not? Yes. Absolutely.

Originally Posted by LRZ

And it need not be shouted, it can be done in a conversational tone.

It certainly can, and I do it (see above), but a whistle would let everybody on both teams know that there will be no ignoring of pregame dunking that night, maybe preventing a second illegal pregame dunk down the other end of the court (extrapolating Altor's post).

However, I'll just continue follow 10.5.1 SITUATION E.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by LRZ

"Son, that's a T. Listen up, everybody, don't dunk!".

Originally Posted by LRZ

... in a conversational tone.

Are the players down the other end of the court going to be warned with this statement in a conversational tone over the music blaring throughout the gym?

Again, I'm not a big fan of the pregame dunking whistle, nor am I to willing to ignore 10.5.1 SITUATION E and be the first one on my block to do it, but, like Altor, I see some value in it, and I wouldn't take my whistle and go home if the interpretation was changed.

[LRZ]

What the hell are you talking about?

Jeez, I should have known better than to interject into one of your conversations with yourself. Either you have no common sense, you enjoy splitting hairs, or you are a troll. When you wondered why traffic here seems to have tapered off, look in the mirror.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by LRZ

I should have known better than to interject into one of your conversations with yourself.

While I have been known to reply to my own posts after further reflection, this is not the case here. All of my posts in this thread, even a single back-to-back, have been replies to other members posts.

Bottom line. I'm not a big fan of the pregame dunking whistle, nor is the NFHS, but I see some value (as does Altor) in it because it may prevent a subsequent "violation". While I agree with LRZ that warning (before or after charging a technical foul) players in a layup line in a conversational tone is a good preventative measure (for many issues, not just pregame dunking), it only works for those within earshot (in a gym with blasting music). A whistle (again, I'm not a fan) sounded will be a preventative measure for everybody in the gym, not only those that are within conversational tone earshot ("Hey. Look down there. He got T-ed up for dunking. We should be more careful".)

I'm not looking to T-up players for pregame dunking, I will try to prevent pregame dunking from happening, but if I have to T-up players, I will.

Maybe Texans have the right idea?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

While I have been known to reply to my own posts after further reflection, this is not the case here. All of my posts in this thread, even a single back-to-back, have been replies to other members posts.

Bottom line. I'm not a big fan of the pregame dunking whistle, nor is the NFHS, but I see some value (as does Altor) in it because it may prevent a subsequent "violation". While I agree with LRZ that warning (before or after charging a technical foul) players in a layup line in a conversational tone is a good preventative measure (for many issues, not just pregame dunking), it only works for those within earshot (in a gym with blasting music). A whistle (again, I'm not a fan) sounded will be a preventative measure for everybody in the gym, not only those that are within conversational tone earshot ("Hey. Look down there. He got T-ed up for dunking. We should be more careful".)

I'm not looking to T-up players for pregame dunking, I will try to prevent pregame dunking from happening, but if I have to T-up players, I will.

Maybe Texans have the right idea?

I've gone almost 20 years without sounding my whistle nor seeing anyone else sound their whistle. The 3-4 times I've been involved in games where players were T'd for dunking (including one D1 game before the rule change), the players were well aware officials were standing right there on the sidelines.

Now we need to announce ourselves with whistles all of a sudden?

[Altor]

Originally Posted by LRZ

What the hell are you talking about?

It's my fault. This is one of those times where I simply disagree with a rule or case (or in this case, a single sentence fragment within a case). I pointed out my disagreement.

Do what you need to do and what you feel is best after reading the appropriate materials from the NFHS and your assignors.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Altor

It's my fault.

No need to fall on your sword. It was a good point that had some value regarding preventative officiating.

Originally Posted by Altor

Do what you need to do and what you feel is best after reading the appropriate materials from the NFHS and your assignors.

Ain't that the gospel truth.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by LRZ

I wish you'd stop channeling Mark Padgett; it's rarely amusing.

Actually I get a chuckle out of the nostalgia of hot mom jokes from time to time.

Originally Posted by LRZ

What the hell are you talking about?



Jeez, I should have known better than to interject into one of your conversations with yourself. Either you have no common sense, you enjoy splitting hairs, or you are a troll. When you wondered why traffic here seems to have tapered off, look in the mirror.

Bully.


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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Actually I get a chuckle out of the nostalgia of hot mom jokes from time to time.

I would often try to convince Mark Padgett to switch his jokes from "Hot Mom" to "Hot single Mom", not wanting to encourage officials to become home wreckers.

I miss Mark Padgett. Not only because of his great sense of humor, his childhood South Side of Chicago mobster stories, his pride in his Jewish faith, and his pride in the recreation leagues that he organized (offering "scholarships" to underprivileged youth), but also because of his insight into officiating recreation level basketball.

Sometimes some us forget that there's a whole world of basketball officiating under the professional, international, intercollegiate, and interscholastic level, and that the kids that play at these levels deserve to have some minimum level of competent officiating to fully enjoy their childhood basketball experiences. For some, perhaps many, this will be their last experience in organized basketball, and Mark Padgett was the guy to insure that their recreation experience was going to be a great one.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by LRZ

Stop it, BillyMac. You can accomplish this without becoming the center of attention. You've never stepped towards players on the layup line and said to them all, "tuck your shirts in" or something like that? And it need not be shouted, it can be done in a conversational tone.

I wish you'd stop channeling Mark Padgett; it's rarely amusing.

Listen you whippersnapper! Wait to get to be our age and I guarentee you will change your mind.

MTD, Sr.

P.S. I am in awe of Billy's technical skills to post these memes!

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I am in awe of Billy's technical skills to post these memes!

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I spit into a tube for 23andMe and discovered that Neanderthal ancestry accounts for about 4% of my overall DNA.