Intentional Foul

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

There is no intentional foul in college. And there is a situation where they can if there is an injury and a flagrant foul being called. So that is where they get that from, just like coaches think the ball hitting the backboard first means you have a goaltending violation. There is a little more nuance to the rule and some specifics that most do not understand. I just tell a coach that they are trying to have us enforce a college rule and leave it at that. Usually, that ends the conversation or they do not have enough knowledge to continue to win that argument.

And for clarity purposes I added this.

In NCAA Men's rules, if a player is injured, the opposing head coach can choose amongst the 4 players left on the court to shoot the free throws.

If the injury is when there is a flagrant foul, the player's head coach can choose any player or team member to shoot the free throws.

If the player that is injured is bleeding, then the head coach of that player can decide to put in the substitute to shoot the free throws.

All stated under Rule 8-3.3. I am not going into that kind of detail with a high school coach that thinks he has the same privileges.

Peace

There was no injury or blood in the OP so your point is moot. Intentional fouls and F1 fouls are enforced exactly the same way. Bringing “college rules” into this discussion with the coach serves no purpose.

It’s okay to admit you were wrong.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Bringing “college rules” into this discussion with the coach serves no purpose.

If the coach brings up a college rule, just state "The HIGH SCHOOL rule states ...".

I wish I got a dollar every time a coach confused a college rule (or a rule from another sport) with a high school rule over the past forty years.

Maybe then I could afford to buy that villa in Tuscany I've been wanting to retire to?

[BigT]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

If the coach brings up a college rule, just state "The HIGH SCHOOL rule states ...".

I wish I got a dollar every time a coach confused a college rule (or a rule from another sport) with a high school rule over the past forty years.

Maybe then I could afford to buy that villa in Tuscany I've been wanting to retire to?

I tell them this and its worked great over the years.

Kids watch the NBA and college games dreaming of big time.

There are major and minor differences in the rule sets.

In HS we do it this way.

They get the hint they are trying to apply a different rule set and leave us alone. Its awesome.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BigT

I tell them this and its worked great over the years.

Here's my forty-year old secret.

When coaches question one's rule interpretation in any way, just quote the rule number. I'm not talking about sections and articles, or the words, just the rule number.

One only has to know a few: Rule 9 Violations, Rule 10 Fouls, Rule 7 Out of Bounds and Throwin, Rule 8 Free Throws, and of course, the "Duct Tape" of the rulebook, Rule 4 Definitions.

(If one isn't sure, just say Rule 4, "Coach, that's a proper adjudication of Rule 4".)

Most coaches think that there are hundreds of rules, so they'll be impressed that one can quote Rule number 4 the same manner as one could quote Rule number 126.

They'll scratch their head and seem dumbfounded and during that momentary lapse in arguing one can be all the way over on the other side of the gym.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SC Official

There was no injury or blood in the OP so your point is moot. Intentional fouls and F1 fouls are enforced exactly the same way. Bringing “college rules” into this discussion with the coach serves no purpose.

It’s okay to admit you were wrong.

Actually, they are not exactly the same. They are in principle but as stated when a player is injured there is a different application. It is OK that you did not know the difference, not my issue to make. You did not ask the question. Because chances are the coach is asking a question from a higher level and does not know the difference. I am just fine with my position until clarified by the OPer who might tell us that there was a technical foul, which clearly the coach of his own team can pick the shooter or he thinks because an intentional foul is called he has some say (which he doesn't).

I'm good with my answer and Bob made a good point it does matter if it is an Intentional Technical foul which was not my thought process because a different shooter can be than the offended player (if there is one).

You can admit you are making this harder than it has to be. Not trying to be right, trying to explain what my answer would be to move on from that conversation. Worked all these years in multiple sports BTW.

You can tell a coach whatever the hell you wish to tell them when you are talking to them. We are not the same people and not the same experience. I know there are things I say you could never get away with when dealing with the right coach. So I will say what works for me and you can state what works for you.

Peace

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Actually, they are not exactly the same. They are in principle but as stated when a player is injured there is a different application.
Peace

The player in the OP wasn’t injured.

But we all know it makes you feel better to deflect rather than just ignore or admit you were wrong, so this is par for the course for you.

[LRZ]

Let's not make these discussions--or disagreements--personal.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by SC Official

The player in the OP wasn’t injured.

But we all know it makes you feel better to deflect rather than just ignore or admit you were wrong, so this is par for the course for you.

JRut for President!


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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SC Official

The player in the OP wasn’t injured.

But we all know it makes you feel better to deflect rather than just ignore or admit you were wrong, so this is par for the course for you.

You realize I was answering the question to let the OPer to understand that the coach was asking for a college rule that had a very specific situation result? We know you do not know that. I am very aware there was no injured player stated and that was not the point and did not care either. If that bothers you, keep it moving. It was not for you.

Stop trying to control every conversation.

Peace