Indiana - Florida St. Why not a team control foul?

[Jay R]

At 8:41 of 2nd half, Fl St lobs a pass to a teammate but that offensive player fouls the defender while the pass is in the air. Indiana goes down the other end to shoot 1 and 1. Am I missing something? Isn’t that a team control foul?

[crosscountry55]

In HS it still is. In NCAAM, I believe that rule was changed 2-3 years ago. Loose ball fouls like that now permit bonus FTs. I’m not sure about non-loose ball fouls such as illegal screens.

There was one particular D1 postseason that had a bunch of delays and reviews (and annoyed coaches) for loose ball TC fouls. Sure enough, that same offseason, the rule changed. The visibility of March Madness has an outsized influence on the Good Idea Fairy.


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[Nevadaref]

Why was the time-out request not granted to Indiana with 4 seconds left in regulation? The player had one foot on the court.

[SC Official]

What was the call at 1:14 in OT?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

In HS it still is. In NCAAM, I believe that rule was changed 2-3 years ago. Loose ball fouls like that now permit bonus FTs. I’m not sure about non-loose ball fouls such as illegal screens.

There was one particular D1 postseason that had a bunch of delays and reviews (and annoyed coaches) for loose ball TC fouls. Sure enough, that same offseason, the rule changed. The visibility of March Madness has an outsized influence on the Good Idea Fairy.


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If the pass wasn't deflected it should be a TC foul as there is TC during a throw-in.

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[Jay R]

Originally Posted by Raymond

If the pass wasn't deflected it should be a TC foul as there is TC during a throw-in.

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It wasn’t a throw-in, just a normal lob pass into the key. The pass was not deflected. The foul by the offensive player happened while the ball was in the air on the pass.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Jay R

It wasn’t a throw-in, just a normal lob pass into the key. The pass was not deflected. The foul by the offensive player happened while the ball was in the air on the pass.

Then that definitely should have been a team control foul.

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[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Then that definitely should have been a team control foul.

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I feel that an IAABO “let’s go to the videotape” moment is due.

Rule nuances at various levels notwithstanding, this is one of my pet peeves: rushing to shoot bonus free-throws without considering the context of the foul. I’ve been known to stop play and confer with a partner even if there’s a good chance the FTs are merited. I’d rather cause a delay and be sure than to find out later that we awarded unmerited free throws, which often go unnoticed by everyone.


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[Raymond]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

I feel that an IAABO “let’s go to the videotape” moment is due.

Rule nuances at various levels notwithstanding, this is one of my pet peeves: rushing to shoot bonus free-throws without considering the context of the foul. I’ve been known to stop play and confer with a partner even if there’s a good chance the FTs are merited. I’d rather cause a delay and be sure than to find out later that we awarded unmerited free throws, which often go unnoticed by everyone.


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If I feel we are about to do something wrong, I have no problem at all going over to a partner and asking him/her the status of the ball when the foul occurred.

It can be done real quickly without bringing a whole bunch of attention to the crew.

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[JRutledge]

Maybe the official ruled that the Indiana player had possession and then the foul? If that is the case, then it would not be a TC foul. But that would be sketchy at best.

I am wondering if this was assumed to be a shot of some kind as well. That is the only reason I can think logically that this was ruled a common foul. But nothing about this looks like a Loose-Ball Foul which would result in free throws.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Peace

[Raymond]

I wish the original description had included that the defender deflected the ball at about the same time as he was being fouled.

To me the foul occurs before the deflection, so it should have been a team control foul. But the fact that the defense deflected the ball close to the time of the foul provides context as to why they may have gotten it wrong.

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