West Virginia-Gonzaga

[SC Official]

Very interesting play at 8:50ish in the 1H. WVU is dribbling in the backcourt. Zag defender swipes it away toward the sideline then saves it from going OOB. Ball sails into the frontcourt where it deflects off WVU player’s leg into the backcourt where it is then touched by his teammate.

In FED this is definitely a violation. In NCAA-M I also would believe this should be a violation because the defense did not deflect the ball in the frontcourt. Someone may need to check me on that.

[Raymond]

Any team control considerations?

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[SC Official]

I didn’t think about that and didn’t notice if the shot clock reset or not.

[SC Official]

Block/charge play at 4:29 2H

[JRutledge]

Play #1:



Play #2:



Peace

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I think the the next B/C play a on the next possession or two is a good one for comparison but I couldnt tell if it was RA or not.

[Raymond]

On first play, yes, that's a backcourt as there was PC&TC, TC did not change, offense was last to touch in FC, and first to touch in BC.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Raymond

On first play, yes, that's a backcourt as there was PC&TC, TC did not change, offense was last to touch in FC, and first to touch in BC.

So are you saying that this is still a violation at the NCAA level even though it was a loose ball caused by the defense? I have to go look at the rule again because I was kind of confused considering the BC rule only seemed to deal with a play in the FC that goes in the BC.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

So are you saying that this is still a violation at the NCAA level even though it was a loose ball caused by the defense? I have to go look at the rule again because I was kind of confused considering the BC rule only seemed to deal with a play in the FC that goes in the BC.



Peace

Oh yeah, I guess that aspect would still apply. I felt like I was forgetting something in my beakdown of the play.

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[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Oh yeah, I guess that aspect would still apply. I felt like I was forgetting something in my beakdown of the play.

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On this play, does it matter that the ball was loose / deflected from the BC?

Does NCAAM require LGP before the offensive player leaves the floor or before he starts any upward motion?

imo, These plays are easy BC and PC in FED and NCAAW,

[Raymond]

For the back court play, here's the wording from last year's rulebook:

9-12 Art. 5. A pass or any other loose ball (including when a player in control of the ball loses control of the ball when a defensive player bats or deflects it out of his control) in the front court that is deflected by a defensive player, which causes the ball to go into the backcourt may be recovered by either team even if the offense was the last to touch the ball before it went into the backcourt.

Based on the above wording, there doesn't seem to be an exception for a ball that is batted/deflected by the defense in back court.

However, I think the spirit of the rule is not to penalize the offense with a back court violation when there is a loose ball caused by the defense.

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[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

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Does NCAAM require LGP before the offensive player leaves the floor or before he starts any upward motion?



imo, These plays are easy BC and PC in FED and NCAAW,

At one time there was an upward motion aspect to the player control foul, but that was eliminated.



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[SC Official]

Clip 1:

I have a shooting foul on Blue 5 before the backcourt play.

As the rule is written, that is a BCV in NCAA-M. There was no change in team control and 9-12.5 only applies to defensive deflections in the frontcourt. If the spirit/intent of the rule is for this play to be legal, Art Hyland needs to issue an interpretation and the rule needs updated in the offseason. I am not faulting the crew for passing on it because it is an odd play. In FED, there is no room for debate.

The transition play is a clear PC foul. CC.

Clip 2:

When I watched it in real time I had a block and that's likely what I'd call. In slo-mo it looks like the defender is legal before the shooter goes airborne. Right foot may be in the RA but it's very close. I had to mute the sound to avoid Bilas's bloviating.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Clip 1:

I have a shooting foul on Blue 5 before the backcourt play.

As the rule is written, that is a BCV in NCAA-M. There was no change in team control and 9-12.5 only applies to defensive deflections in the frontcourt. If the spirit/intent of the rule is for this play to be legal, Art Hyland needs to issue an interpretation and the rule needs updated in the offseason. I am not faulting the crew for passing on it because it is an odd play. In FED, there is no room for debate.
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I'm thinking that will happen. It wouldn't be the first time Art and crew failed to account for realistic scenarios when making rule changes. Attention to detail isn't their strong suit.

[Danvrapp]

Originally Posted by SC Official

In slo-mo it looks like the defender is legal before the shooter goes airborne. Right foot may be in the RA but it's very close.

Does "foot on the line" equate to "in the RA?" If he is on the line, its by a very miniscule amount. From the angle that the L has, I'm not positive he would have known for sure anyway.