West Virginia-Gonzaga

[SC Official]

Very interesting play at 8:50ish in the 1H. WVU is dribbling in the backcourt. Zag defender swipes it away toward the sideline then saves it from going OOB. Ball sails into the frontcourt where it deflects off WVU player’s leg into the backcourt where it is then touched by his teammate.

In FED this is definitely a violation. In NCAA-M I also would believe this should be a violation because the defense did not deflect the ball in the frontcourt. Someone may need to check me on that.

[Raymond]

Any team control considerations?

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[SC Official]

I didn’t think about that and didn’t notice if the shot clock reset or not.

[SC Official]

Block/charge play at 4:29 2H

[JRutledge]

Play #1:



Play #2:



Peace

[SNIPERBBB]

I think the the next B/C play a on the next possession or two is a good one for comparison but I couldnt tell if it was RA or not.

[Raymond]

For the back court play, here's the wording from last year's rulebook:

9-12 Art. 5. A pass or any other loose ball (including when a player in control of the ball loses control of the ball when a defensive player bats or deflects it out of his control) in the front court that is deflected by a defensive player, which causes the ball to go into the backcourt may be recovered by either team even if the offense was the last to touch the ball before it went into the backcourt.

Based on the above wording, there doesn't seem to be an exception for a ball that is batted/deflected by the defense in back court.

However, I think the spirit of the rule is not to penalize the offense with a back court violation when there is a loose ball caused by the defense.

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[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Raymond

For the back court play, here's the wording from last year's rulebook:

9-12 Art. 5. A pass or any other loose ball (including when a player in control of the ball loses control of the ball when a defensive player bats or deflects it out of his control) in the front court that is deflected by a defensive player, which causes the ball to go into the backcourt may be recovered by either team even if the offense was the last to touch the ball before it went into the backcourt.

Based on the above wording, there doesn't seem to be an exception for a ball that is batted/deflected by the defense in back court.

However, I think the spirit of the rule is not to penalize the offense with a back court violation when there is a loose ball caused by the defense.

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The official notification from Bulletin No. 1 – December 14, 2020 Teleconference Follow-Up:

"2. A1 is dribbling the ball in his backcourt when B1 bats the ball toward the division line. The ball crosses the division line into the front court where it strikes A2 in the leg and rebounds back across the division line into the backcourt. A1 is the first to touch the ball in the backcourt.

• Ruling – Legal play. The intent to Rule 9-12.5 is to permit Team A to be the first to touch in the backcourt whenever there is a deflection by the defense. Unfortunately, the rule as written implies that the deflection must occur in the “front court”. This interpretation now clarifies this omission by indicating that the rule is in effect when the deflection by the defense occurs in either the front court or the backcourt. (Rule 9-12.5) "

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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Raymond

The official notification from Bulletin No. 1 – December 14, 2020 Teleconference Follow-Up:

"2. A1 is dribbling the ball in his backcourt when B1 bats the ball toward the division line. The ball crosses the division line into the front court where it strikes A2 in the leg and rebounds back across the division line into the backcourt. A1 is the first to touch the ball in the backcourt.

• Ruling – Legal play. The intent to Rule 9-12.5 is to permit Team A to be the first to touch in the backcourt whenever there is a deflection by the defense. Unfortunately, the rule as written implies that the deflection must occur in the “front court”. This interpretation now clarifies this omission by indicating that the rule is in effect when the deflection by the defense occurs in either the front court or the backcourt. (Rule 9-12.5) "

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Shall I pat myself on the back for this one? LOL!!!!

Not really but I can dream.

Peace

[crosscountry55]

Hey, give the OP some credit, too! =) We can’t be sure Art and JD didn’t get inquiries from elsewhere, but to me it sure seems like SC saw something, which begot JRut’s video download and attention, which begot his email, which begot (I’m skipping a few steps) Art’s national bulletin.

Yay, Forum! That’s pretty cool.


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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Hey, give the OP some credit, too! =) We can’t be sure Art and JD didn’t get inquiries from elsewhere, but to me it sure seems like SC saw something, which begot JRut’s video download and attention, which begot his email, which begot (I’m skipping a few steps) Art’s national bulletin.

Yay, Forum! That’s pretty cool.


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But I am the one that contacted JD and Art? LOL!!!

Seriously this was a great request and a great discussion. I probably was not the only person to contact them on this play either. But it was interesting to hear from them both.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

But I am the one that contacted JD and Art? LOL!!!



Seriously this was a great request and a great discussion. I probably was not the only person to contact them on this play either. But it was interesting to hear from them both.



Peace

They are probably more receptive to feedback than most realize. When John Adams was national coordinator, on two separate occasions he engaged me with multiple email exchanges in regards to the periodic in-season rules quizzes.

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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Raymond

They are probably more receptive to feedback than most realize. When John Adams was national coordinator, on two separate occasions he engaged me with multiple email exchanges in regards to the periodic in-season rules quizzes.

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I have met JD several times, very easy to talk to. He has been at many camps I have been to and is very open to concerns you might have. I was not surprised he responded and even responded the way he did. He actually passed the email on to Art and told me Art would address the issue. Art's responses were also very good.

Side note. John Adams used to run a D2 Conference in my region. He never hired me for that conference but his camps were great. He used to only charge $50 for all his conferences which also he used for when he was the supervisor for the Horizon League. Well the funny part of all of this, he was direct and very helpful. He now is on the Indiana High School Athletic Association's Basketball Official's Facebook page offering advice to officials that work games at a relative's games. He even told everyone on that site the good job of a crew he observed. He can seem like a guy with an edge but seems like a very nice person overall. He even sent me a private message asking me about an NF rule he was not clear on.

I think they were good people at their core and their position has never been too big for them. Both JD and John are Indiana guys and are down to earth for the most part. I respect both of them tremendously.

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