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Old Tue Sep 15, 2020, 11:00am
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So these endline tickmarks have a throwin purpose? I thought they were for the Lower Defensive Box used in NCAA women's rules.

The Lower Defensive Box also referred to as the LDB is an imaginary box on the floor that uses four marks the two tick marks on the endline and both second Lane space marks on the free-throw Lane as reference points this box is used to determine a player control or blocking foul on a secondary defender located in the restricted area when a player with the ball starts her move from within the LDB there is no restricted area otherwise when a player with the ball starts her move from outside the LDB the restricted area rule is still in effect.
They are for the women's LDB and when the new rule came out they told us to use those marks as a guide for the endline demarcation throw-ins. I actually don't know if men's "requires" those tickmarks but those are the marks we are told to use. And since almost all college floors are used for men's and women's games that wasn't a problem.

And I believe NCAA-W has since adopted the men's rule about lines of demarcation and throw-in spots.
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Old Tue Sep 15, 2020, 11:05am
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... The location of all throw-ins in the frontcourt will be determined by an imaginary line drawn from the corner of the court to the intersection of the lane line and the free-throw line ...
Does the NCAA also use the Rocket Ship Diagram to decide endline or sideline (ignore the extra NFHS arrows and add some NCAA hash marks)?

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Old Tue Sep 15, 2020, 11:07am
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Does the NCAA also use the Rocket Ship Diagram © 2009, Back In The Saddle for deciding endline or sideline (ignore the extra NFHS arrows)?

Semicircle goes to the sideline. Other than that, yes - that is what I mean by "lines of demarcation."
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Old Tue Sep 15, 2020, 11:44am
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Old Tue Sep 15, 2020, 11:49am
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First, I just wanted to let everyone know that all of the information I am providing is for NCAA-W.

The 28-foot mark is there as a guideline for the bench area when a timeout is granted. This area is from the 28-foot line to end line and goes from the chair area to first lane line closest to the teams bench. As for the tick marks opposite of the 28-foot mark those are used for the opition to advance when the offense calls a timeout under 59.9. Also, it serves a dual purpopse for a throw when there is a kick ball by the defense and a single foul by the defense in which the offense has a throw in.

The LDB, Lower Defensive Box, tick marks are used for the kick/fisted ball by the defense and a single foul committed by the defense.

All throw-ins will occur at one of the four spots, 28-foot mark, 28-foot mark opposotie of the bench, two LDB tick mraks, closes to where the said violation or foul took place. The use of the diagram that was in place regarding throw-ins still is used. These spots are just where they take place.

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Old Tue Sep 15, 2020, 11:54am
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... the Rocket Ship Diagram © 2009, Back In The Saddle ...
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I ask because he may be one of the handful of Forum posters that have changed their usernames over the years.
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First, I just wanted to let everyone know that all of the information I am providing is for NCAA-W.

The 28-foot mark is there as a guideline for the bench area when a timeout is granted. This area is from the 28-foot line to end line and goes from the chair area to first lane line closest to the teams bench. As for the tick marks opposite of the 28-foot mark those are used for the opition to advance when the offense calls a timeout under 59.9. Also, it serves a dual purpopse for a throw when there is a kick ball by the defense and a single foul by the defense in which the offense has a throw in.

The LDB, Lower Defensive Box, tick marks are used for the kick/fisted ball by the defense and a single foul committed by the defense.

All throw-ins will occur at one of the four spots, 28-foot mark, 28-foot mark opposotie of the bench, two LDB tick mraks, closes to where the said violation or foul took place. The use of the diagram that was in place regarding throw-ins still is used. These spots are just where they take place.

I hope this information helps.
The 28 foot marks are used in Men's basketball for throw-in spots on the sideline for all throw-ins except out of bounds violations (goes to the spot of the violation in that case). And the tick marks on the endline are used for marking of the "post area" where some contact can be different than outside the area. So both markings have a purpose in the NCAA Men's side.

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I hope this information helps.
Sure does. Thanks JBleach85.
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Semicircle goes to the sideline. Other than that, yes - that is what I mean by "lines of demarcation."
Not in NCAAW -- it goes to the endline. 7-3-2c
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... the tick marks on the endline are used for marking of the "post area" where some contact can be different than outside the area. So both markings have a purpose in the NCAA Men's side.
Thanks JRutledge.
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Not in NCAAW -- it goes to the endline. 7-3-2c
Why can't the NCAA men and the NCAA women get together and use a single rule set, and just change the size of the basketball?

This works just fine for NFHS boys and girls high school rules.
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Not in NCAAW -- it goes to the endline. 7-3-2c


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Why can't the NCAA men and the NCAA women get together and use a single rule set, and just change the size of the basketball?

This works just fine for NFHS boys and girls high school rules.
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Old Tue Sep 15, 2020, 12:27pm
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Why can't the NCAA men and the NCAA women get together and use a single rule set, and just change the size of the basketball?

This works just fine for NFHS boys and girls high school rules.
One makes over a billion on their NCAA Tournament and the other loses money.

And the people that officiate are not the same. So there you go.

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