College 28 Foot Hash Mark ...

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Were there two rule sets for high school boys and girls before they came under the umbrella of the NFHS (with the same size ball for many years).

I have no idea. All I know is that the NCAA men's and women's coaches who write the rules have no reason or incentive to care what the other side does. And since college officials almost never cross between the two that isn't something they have to worry about, either.

Interestingly I believe the other NCAA sports do use the same rules for men and women (except lacrosse because M/W lacrosse are two almost entirely different games).

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Interestingly I believe the other NCAA sports do use the same rules for men and women (except lacrosse because M/W lacrosse are two almost entirely different games).

Hockey is different as well.

Again one sport makes over a billion dollars and the other loses money. And football makes more money than both of them. Just a fact.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SC Official

... NCAA sports do use the same rules for men and women (except lacrosse because M/W lacrosse are two almost entirely different games).

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Hockey is different as well.

And I believe that both sports (lacrosse and ice hockey) have different rule sets for boys and girls on the high school level as well.

Even with different rule sets, different jumping abilities of the players, and different size balls, NCAA women's basketball and NCAA men's basketball are recognizable as being the same game.

At least to some visitors from Mars who never observed any basketball games played at any level.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Even with different rule sets, different jumping abilities of the players, and different size balls, NCAA women's basketball and NCAA men's basketball are recognizable as being the same game.

At least to some visitors from Mars who never observed any basketball games played at any level.

They are not officiated the same, even at the high school level. So not sure I agree.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

They are not officiated the same, even at the high school level.

Agree, but it's still the same basic game.

Not apples and oranges, but Red Delicious Apples and Granny Smith Apples.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SC Official

... except lacrosse because M/W lacrosse are two almost entirely different games,

From the little that I've observed, boys high school lacrosse is an exciting, physical, contact sport; girls high school lacrosse is a whistle-filled, dainty, delicate, boring, non-contact sport.

Yeah, I said that out loud.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by SC Official

I have no idea. All I know is that the NCAA men's and women's coaches who write the rules have no reason or incentive to care what the other side does. And since college officials almost never cross between the two that isn't something they have to worry about, either.

Interestingly I believe the other NCAA sports do use the same rules for men and women (except lacrosse because M/W lacrosse are two almost entirely different games).

VB is also different.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

VB is also different.

Different like apples and oranges, or different like McIntosh Apples and Honeycrisp Apples?

Would visitors from Mars who never previously observed any volleyball games notice the differences right away (as I, not knowing any of the rules, or not knowing anything else about the sport, noticed right away after observing boys and girls high school lacrosse games), or are the differences only minor?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Different like apples and oranges, or different like McIntosh Apples and Honeycrisp Apples?

Would visitors from Mars who never previously observed any volleyball games notice the differences right away (as I, not knowing any of the rules, or not knowing anything else about the sport, noticed right away after observing boys and girls high school lacrosse games), or are the differences only minor?

This is when you start losing the audience and anybody who may have some good information doesn't bother reading the rest of the thread.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Raymond

This is when you start losing the audience and anybody who may have some good information doesn't bother reading the rest of the thread.

That works on FB or Instagram much more than a place like this.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

This is when you start losing the audience and anybody who may have some good information doesn't bother reading the rest of the thread.

I view men's and women's college basketball as two different varieties of apples. Basically the same game, shoot the ball in the basket, with only slightly different rules. Non-officials casually watching both games would recognize them as being played in very similar manners.

I view boys and girls high school lacrosse as being apples and oranges. They're both fruit, but very different types of fruit. Non-officials casually watching both games would recognize them as being played in very different manners. Same basic game, get the ball in the net, but very much different rules.

Hey, it's better than posting about COVID and social justice issues on a forum dedicated to basketball officiating.

[LRZ]

You just can't stop yourself, can you? And we are your enablers.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by LRZ

... And we are your enablers.

Originally Posted by SC Official

... other NCAA sports do use the same rules for men and women (except lacrosse because M/W lacrosse are two almost entirely different games).

SC Official deserves a small part of the blame.

He first brought up sports other than basketball with different gender rule sets, in some cases making for "two almost entirely different games".

It was his quoted phrase that got my attention.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by LRZ

You just can't stop yourself, can you?

You're right LRZ. I couldn't resist. Came up with the idea to fully continue through with the metaphor (not perfect, both edible plants, but it serves a purpose) yesterday, tried to resist posting it all day yesterday. Woke up and had to post it today. Sorry.



Above, my view on soccer versus softball.

Can't blame this, even partially, on SC Official. It's all on me.

BillyMac out (hopefully).