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Old Wed Feb 26, 2020, 12:24pm
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With the trend of this thread had an interesting situation last night. Team is whistled for their second PC of the second half (run overs, easy calls). On the second one partner turns to report (He is bench/table side) and the coach flips him off. I was new trail headed down and didn't see it. Old lead new trail saw it and T'd the coach up. Had a discussion of whether this should have been deemed a flagrant act and ejection. Didn't come to a conclusion but thought it was worthy of a discussion, we just went with regular T.

If it matters the information that I got was that it wasn't a subtle bird up against the coaches body, but they also weren't jumping up and down with their hand in the air. A medium arm extension if that means anything.
If it's really the middle finger, then it's flagrant. If it's just a "wave off" then ordinary T.
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Old Wed Feb 26, 2020, 04:31pm
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With the trend of this thread had an interesting situation last night. Team is whistled for their second PC of the second half (run overs, easy calls). On the second one partner turns to report (He is bench/table side) and the coach flips him off. I was new trail headed down and didn't see it. Old lead new trail saw it and T'd the coach up. Had a discussion of whether this should have been deemed a flagrant act and ejection. Didn't come to a conclusion but thought it was worthy of a discussion, we just went with regular T.

If it matters the information that I got was that it wasn't a subtle bird up against the coaches body, but they also weren't jumping up and down with their hand in the air. A medium arm extension if that means anything.

I am giving the HC an "E Ticket Ride" to the Locker Room.

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I am giving the HC an "E Ticket Ride" to the Locker Room.
Better yet, how about a seat on a very cold bus in the parking lot?
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Old Wed Feb 26, 2020, 06:19pm
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Better yet, how about a seat on a very cold bus in the parking lot?

One has to be at least old enough to have grand children to know what an E Ticket Ride is.

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One has to be at least old enough to have grand children to know what an E Ticket Ride is.
Front row seats.

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Front row seats.
No, Billy. That's the E Street Band. They were from Asbury Park, NJ on the Atlantic coast.
For the E Ticket Ride you would have needed to go all the way across the country from there, 12 miles from the west coast, to be exact.
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No, Billy. That's the E Street Band. They were from Asbury Park, NJ on the Atlantic coast.
For the E Ticket Ride you would have needed to go all the way across the country from there, 12 miles from the west coast, to be exact.
Actually, either to Anahiem, California, or Orlando, Florida. I am sure that Chuck Elias can get anyone a good deal to either place.

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E ticket.....

"Back in the day", you used to get a ticket book at Disneyworld / Disneyland. The booklet had tickets ranging from A to E. Depending on what type of ride it was determined what ticket you needed to use. I think Space Mountain was an E ticket.
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Actually, either to Anahiem, California, or Orlando, Florida.
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Old Thu Feb 27, 2020, 11:39pm
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With the trend of this thread had an interesting situation last night. Team is whistled for their second PC of the second half (run overs, easy calls). On the second one partner turns to report (He is bench/table side) and the coach flips him off. I was new trail headed down and didn't see it. Old lead new trail saw it and T'd the coach up. Had a discussion of whether this should have been deemed a flagrant act and ejection. Didn't come to a conclusion but thought it was worthy of a discussion, we just went with regular T.

If it matters the information that I got was that it wasn't a subtle bird up against the coaches body, but they also weren't jumping up and down with their hand in the air. A medium arm extension if that means anything.
How would you handle if the HC said the words associated with that finger? That should be your asnwer.
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Old Fri Feb 28, 2020, 07:08pm
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How would you handle if the HC said the words associated with that finger? That should be your asnwer.

It does not matter whether he said the word associated with "the finger" or just game just "the finger" I have a "flagrant" WHACK!!

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Old Sat Feb 29, 2020, 12:56pm
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It does not matter whether he said the word associated with "the finger" or just game just "the finger" I have a "flagrant" WHACK!!

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I know, that is my point as it was a rhetorical question. Is was a case mentioned by sdoebler. When someone makes a gesture, consider the words associated with that gesture. That should help an official in determining how they would handle that gesture.

I recall a high intensity game where A1 was at the FT line. Student section behind the goal was really ribbing the FT shooter. The FT shooter, with the ball, pauses, and gently flips off the student section. Nothing escalated. How might some of you handle that one if you saw it as an official?
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