Notre Dame/Florida State video request

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by youngump

Has the official in question? Suppressing coach speech to improve the perception of the state of officiating is a dangerous game. ...

Have you ever considered that conferences, which are run by conference commissioners at the behest of the schools' presidents, have rules regarding the media which their coaches are expected to follow?

So even if an official gets a judgement call wrong, the coach is probably not allowed to go to the media and blast that official by name.

Have you also considered that there are protocols in place for coaches to follow when they want to address an officiating issue?

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[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Have you also considered that there are protocols in place for coaches to follow when they want to address an officiating issue?

I’m assuming he has also failed to consider (or doesn’t know) that NCAA officials are evaluated on all games at every level.

The fact that actions have consequences cuts both ways.



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[SC Official]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

I’m assuming he has also failed to consider (or doesn’t know) that NCAA officials are evaluated on all games at every level.

The fact that actions have consequences cuts both ways.



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Maybe in Division 1, but at the D2 and D3 you aren't getting an eval every night. Still, even at those levels there aren't any conferences that will allow coaches to do what Brey did without some type of repercussion. And there is good reason for that on top of the fact that there are procedures in place for coaches to voice their displeasure internally.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Maybe in Division 1, but at the D2 and D3 you aren't getting an eval every night. Still, even at those levels there aren't any conferences that will allow coaches to do what Brey did without some type of repercussion. And there is good reason for that on top of the fact that there are procedures in place for coaches to voice their displeasure internally.

It has become common that you are getting videos at those levels. I get more college game videos than I ever got working high school games. So the evaluation is increasing, but certainly not what D1 guys can get. But I can look at my plays at that level and figure out what I screwed up (if the angle is good).

Peace

[youngump]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

I’m assuming he has also failed to consider (or doesn’t know) that NCAA officials are evaluated on all games at every level.

The fact that actions have consequences cuts both ways.



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Why would you make that assumption? I've definitely considered how that affects it and still think the benefits of an enforced silence policy(*) are outweighed by it's cost.

(*) Or an enforced dishonesty policy as the case may be.

[youngump]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Have you ever considered that conferences, which are run by conference commissioners at the behest of the schools' presidents, have rules regarding the media which their coaches are expected to follow?

So even if an official gets a judgement call wrong, the coach is probably not allowed to go to the media and blast that official by name.

Have you also considered that there are protocols in place for coaches to follow when they want to address an officiating issue?

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Did you read my post? I've not only considered that; I was stating rather explicitly my objection to such policies.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by youngump

Did you read my post? I've not only considered that; I was stating rather explicitly my objection to such policies.

Well, apparently the folks who run the college conferences across the country have different expectations and standards in regards to its coaches. I'm glad they do.

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[youngump]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Well, apparently the folks who run the college conferences across the country have different expectations and standards in regards to its coaches. I'm glad they do.

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And I'm not glad because I think the benefits are outweighed by the costs.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by youngump

And I'm not glad because I think the benefits are outweighed by the costs.

Maybe one day you'll be in a position to affect that change. But I'm thinking scholastic administrators just simply don't want their coaches bad-mouthing officials in the press.

I guess you're also in favor of officials publicly commenting about coaches and institutions by name?

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[jmwking]

Originally Posted by Raymond

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I guess you're also in favor of officials publicly commenting about coaches and institutions by name?

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Ouch - tough standard around here!

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by jmwking

Ouch - tough standard around here!

Not really.

[youngump]

Originally Posted by Raymond

I guess you're also in favor of officials publicly commenting about coaches and institutions by name?
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For the protection of the officials, I think it would be a bad idea in many cases. But I'm sure I also see that as a much closer and more case specific than most here.
To take an example, an open letter about the behavior of Coach Knight would have it's merits. Letting officials answer questions about what happened when a coach threw a chair across the court also might. [And for that matter, I feel like I've read an interview with the referees who were there at some point (but perhaps not, or perhaps they waited until they were retired to speak on the matter.)] But on the flip side it would make it harder for Indiana fans to believe that they were being neutrally officiated with Coach Knight there. Or perhaps, and this is what I was trying to get at, that's not the flip side but actually a pro to greater transparency.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by youngump

For the protection of the officials, I think it would be a bad idea in many cases. But I'm sure I also see that as a much closer and more case specific than most here.
To take an example, an open letter about the behavior of Coach Knight would have it's merits. Letting officials answer questions about what happened when a coach threw a chair across the court also might. [And for that matter, I feel like I've read an interview with the referees who were there at some point (but perhaps not, or perhaps they waited until they were retired to speak on the matter.)] But on the flip side it would make it harder for Indiana fans to believe that they were being neutrally officiated with Coach Knight there. Or perhaps, and this is what I was trying to get at, that's not the flip side but actually a pro to greater transparency.

IMO, if conferences allow coaches to criticize officials, especially by name, people are always going think that official will never give that coach's team a fair shake in the future.

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