Video Request: Mechanics of Calling a Screen Near the Division Line

[crosscountry55]

Might be hard to find, obscure network. Dayton @ Richmond, 1/25, NBC Sports Washington, 4:29 2nd.

Moving backcourt to frontcourt, D3 sets a screen in the backcourt near the center circle. R22, closely guarding the dribbler D0, doesn’t see it and slams into D3 at speed. T, who had been watching the transition dribble, appears to see the screen late, observes the massive collision, has to put air in the whistle for something like that of course, and calls an illegal screen on D3. But the screen was well set 3-4 steps before contact.

CI for sure, but here’s my discussion request. C was ahead of the play but looking over his shoulder he saw it develop. He definitely had an opinion on the play, but he didn’t go talk to T to give him any info. He flinched, almost as if he considered it. But the CI stood.

D head coach had a beef and ended up drinking some T for it.

Thought this would be a good “help?” play for discussion.


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[Raymond]

From your description it is unclear if the C had a whistle. For the C to have an opinion on the play he needs to have a whistle. If he didn't blow there nothing he should be doing nothing other than assuming his new position for the throw-in.

I'm going to pull up the game on Synergy when it is available. If there was a screen developing near the division line, the Center needs to stop and officiate the match-up. He would be the primary on a double whistle, but with no whistle we don't go to our partners giving our opinions on what should be called.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Raymond

From your description it is unclear if the C had a whistle. For the C to have an opinion on the play he needs to have a whistle. If he didn't blow there nothing he should be doing nothing other than assuming his new position for the throw-in.



I'm going to pull up the game on Synergy when it is available. If there was a screen developing near the division line, the Center needs to stop and officiate the match-up. He would be the primary on a double whistle, but with no whistle we don't go to our partners giving our opinions on what should be called.

Fair enough. He didn’t have a whistle. He probably wishes he had in retrospect, but he didn’t. T’s whistle was almost immediate, probably because of both his surprise and the force of the collision. So C didn’t get much of a chance to process the play. But I’ll bet he knew the call was wrong a split second later. Half the offense and the whole bench sure did.

You know in football information causes flags to get picked up once in a while. I sometimes wish that mentality were more prevalent in basketball (out of bounds calls notwithstanding).


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[pizanno]

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[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Fair enough. He didn’t have a whistle. He probably wishes he had in retrospect, but he didn’t. T’s whistle was almost immediate, probably because of both his surprise and the force of the collision. So C didn’t get much of a chance to process the play. But I’ll bet he knew the call was wrong a split second later. Half the offense and the whole bench sure did.

You know in football information causes flags to get picked up once in a while. I sometimes wish that mentality were more prevalent in basketball (out of bounds calls notwithstanding).


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Perhaps he didn't have a whistle because there was no foul. Hard to uncall a partner's foul call or prevent them from calling one.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Perhaps he didn't have a whistle because there was no foul. Hard to uncall a partner's foul call or prevent them from calling one.

With the benefit of hindsight, what’s your opinion? Push on R22 or incident contact?


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[Raymond]

Definitely not a foul, either offensively or defensively. Center saw the screen developing, so I wish he would have stayed and officiated the play instead of drifting away. Maybe if the Trail sees the Center is there on the play he doesn't put a whistle on it.

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[Raymond]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

With the benefit of hindsight, what’s your opinion? Push on R22 or incident contact?


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I don't even need hindsight. First time I saw the play run through, my immediate thought was, that's not a foul.

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[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Raymond

I don't even need hindsight. First time I saw the play run through, my immediate thought was, that's not a foul.

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This is why I hate when people training new officials say things like, “When a player goes down like that, there has to be a whistle.”


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[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

With the benefit of hindsight, what’s your opinion? Push on R22 or incident contact?


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Incidental contact....on first viewing, not hindsight. The screen was legal by a long shot. The defender, not seeing it, ran into it and not through it....the screen did its job, play on.

[Lcubed48]

I watched the game live on TV. I thought it was a play-on despite the hard contact involved. The screener gave the defender enough time and space to avoid the contract.

[JRutledge]

Peace

[UNIgiantslayers]

Do you have a call if the screener goes down rather than the screen....(ee?) (ed?)?

[billyu2]

Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers

Do you have a call if the screener goes down rather than the screen....(ee?) (ed?)?

Maybe, and maybe not. See 4-4-7

[billyu2]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Might be hard to find, obscure network. Dayton @ Richmond, 1/25, NBC Sports Washington, 4:29 2nd.

Moving backcourt to frontcourt, D3 sets a screen in the backcourt near the center circle. R22, closely guarding the dribbler D0, doesn’t see it and slams into D3 at speed. T, who had been watching the transition dribble, appears to see the screen late, observes the massive collision, has to put air in the whistle for something like that of course, and calls an illegal screen on D3. But the screen was well set 3-4 steps before contact.

CI for sure, but here’s my discussion request. C was ahead of the play but looking over his shoulder he saw it develop. He definitely had an opinion on the play, but he didn’t go talk to T to give him any info. He flinched, almost as if he considered it. But the CI stood.

D head coach had a beef and ended up drinking some T for it.

Thought this would be a good “help?” play for discussion.


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So let's discuss this: Assume the Trail Official, seeing the clear-out, narrows his angle of vision too much on the dribbler/defender that he doesn't see the legality of the screen, if at all. The resulting collision catches him off guard and he instantly blows the whistle and assumes/guesses the screen was illegal and makes the call. I would like to know from members, if you were in that situation and realizing you may have kicked that call, would instead confer with the Center and ask how he saw it? And, upon confirmation with the C that the screen was legal, resort to an IW and resume play with a throw in for the team that had the ball. Or, just stay and live with your call.