Shot Clock Reset

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by deecee

I fixed the response, it was for raymond.

I know that. What is not stated is and what my side note was about is the rule set being used for the shot clock. Do those 7-9 states all use the same rules in regards to the shot clock?

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Raymond

I know that. What is not stated is and what my side note was about is the rule set being used for the shot clock. Do those 7-9 states all use the same rules in regards to the shot clock?

I know Cali and NY just mostly mirror NCAA. I would assume the other states do as well to keep things simple.

[ilyazhito]

Originally Posted by deecee

I know Cali and NY just mostly mirror NCAA. I would assume the other states do as well to keep things simple.

Yes, for an inadvertent whistle, all shot clock states (including DC) mirror NCAA. There are some differences with regards to basic shot clock length in some states, tie-ins to other rules (closely guarded and 10-second counts), and resets on kicked balls (CA and MA reset to the full shot clock length) and fouls (all states go to the full length, unless double fouls occur), but for most situations, shot clock states look to NCAA for guidance.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

Yes, for an inadvertent whistle, all shot clock states (including DC) mirror NCAA. There are some differences with regards to basic shot clock length in some states, tie-ins to other rules (closely guarded and 10-second counts), and resets on kicked balls (CA and MA reset to the full shot clock length) and fouls (all states go to the full length, unless double fouls occur), but for most situations, shot clock states look to NCAA for guidance.

NCAA-Men's or NCAA-Women's? Boys use Men's and Girls use Women's?

This conversation right here is why I'm glad VA doesn't have a shot clock.

[ilyazhito]

Raymond, most states imported their shot clock rules for boys games from NCAA men's rules, and for girls games from NCAA women's rules. That is why I did not specify a gender when I mentioned NCAA rules. This is why most shot clock states still have no 10-second count for girls, even though NCAA women's basketball added the 10-second rule before the 2013-14 season. South Dakota used the old men's college (pre- 2015) shot clock rules for both boys and girls play. MD and ND originally had 35 second shot clocks for boys, with 30-second shot clocks for girls, but moved the boys teams to a 30-second shot clock for consistency between the genders.

The shot clock rules are based on OLD NCAA rules (1994 for boys, 1970 for girls), not on the current NCAA rules, so that is why we see full reset on kicked balls as well as on defensive fouls for some states. DC, however, uses the 2015-16 men's college shot clock rules as the basis for their rules.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

Yes, for an inadvertent whistle, all shot clock states (including DC) mirror NCAA....

You know this? How?

It is probably true, but have you really investigated each state and how they run the shot clocks?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

It is probably true, but have you really investigated each state and how they run the shot clocks?

ilyazhito knows the guaranteed playing time rules for the East Oshkosh girls third grade recreation league. It's true. It's true.

[ilyazhito]

Camron, I looked up the shot clock rules for each state. I even wrote a book on the differences in basketball rules, mechanics, and procedures across the different levels of basketball.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

Camron, I looked up the shot clock rules for each state. I even wrote a book on the differences in basketball rules, mechanics, and procedures across the different levels of basketball.

I work several games each season in CA and can tell you with certainty that the shot clock rules are based upon old NCAA rules which are vastly different from what the NCAA now uses. CIF still has 35 seconds for boys and 30 for girls with full resets on offensive rebounds, kicked balls, and defensive fouls. With the exception of the length there are no differences in the play rulings for the boys and girls.