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Once he touched it again, he travelled. |
The Infamous Self Pass ...
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A pass is movement of the ball caused by a player who throws, bats or rolls the ball to another player. As the Devil's advocate, I must ask, who is the other player? He seems to be rolling, or batting, the ball to himself, away from the other players. |
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Illegal. A1 is no longer holding the ball. He has released (pushed) the ball to the floor a second time and is the first to touch it. Violation. The rest is irrelevant IMO. |
Not A Dribble ... ...
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4.15 COMMENT: It is not possible for a player to travel during a dribble. A player is not dribbling while slapping the ball during a jump, when a pass rebounds from his/her hand, when he/she fumbles, or when he/she bats a rebound or pass away from other players who are attempting to get it. The player is not in control under these conditions. It is a dribble when a player stands still and bounces the ball. It is not a dribble when a player stands still and holds the ball and touches it to the floor once or more than once. |
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(but your quote is not accurate, as it involves the player still holding the ball rather than releasing it; the best example of why putting the ball on the ground is not a dribble is that it is a travel to put it down and then stand up and pick it up--if putting it down was a dribble, that play would not be a travel) |
It Was A Dark And Stormy Night ...
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So we're back to this: 4.44.5 SITUATION B: A1 dives for a loose ball and slides after gaining control. A1 is in a position either on his/her back or stomach. What can A1 do without violating? RULING: A1 may pass, shoot, start a dribble or request a time-out. Once A1 has the ball and is no longer sliding, he/she may not roll over. If flat on his/her back, A1 may sit up without violating. Any attempt to get to the feet is traveling unless A1 is dribbling. It is also traveling if A1 puts the ball on the floor, then rises and is first to touch the ball. (4-44-5b) https://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.w...=0&w=263&h=167 |
I may have to create a new thread or just let this go. Too many are interpreting my case incorrectly. Some are suggesting the ball is released and others are referring to cases that do not apply.
Case: A1 dribbles and then holds the ball, establishing his right foot as the pivot foot. A1 then places the ball on the floor with his right hand never losing contact with the ball. A1 then pushes/scoots/moves/displaces the ball in a controlled fashion, along the floor for ten feet, taking several full steps, and then picks up the ball. In this process, A1 was not dribbling. This would be legal based on this thread and everyone's opinion about the rules. This would also be a case whereby a pivot foot could be moved from one spot on the floor to another and there is no traveling violation. Now, once A1 picks up the ball, could A1 pivot on his left foot? Ruling? |
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Tossing The Ball Into The Air ...
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This involves a fumble (muff): 4.44 SITUATION A: A1 attempts to catch the ball while running rapidly. A1 muffs the ball, but succeeds in securing it before it strikes the floor. A1 then begins a dribble, taking several steps between the time the ball was first touched until it was caught. RULING: There has been no violation provided A1, after catching the ball, released the ball to start the dribble before the pivot foot was lifted from the floor. (4-15) This doesn't involve a fumble: 4.44.3 SITUATION C: A1 throws the ball over the head of B1 and then takes several steps before catching it. RULING: Traveling violation since the ball did not touch the floor, the tossing and subsequent catch is illegal. (9-4) |
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So now. . . when does the 10-second backcourt count start? |
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