Three Second Violation?

[BDevil15]

Hi Guys,
Tonight had a player in the key during rebounding action however the shot was an airball. Official quickly called 3 seconds after securing rebound. Could someone either correct me that this is a correct call, or point me to an interpretation? I am a coach so boo hiss I know. And its middle school so I dont take it that seriously, but would like to know the correct call. Official said that since it was an airball there was no reset, and I thought an airball was still a try for goal. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks for all you guys do!

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BDevil15

... a player in the key during rebounding action however the shot was an airball. Official quickly called 3 seconds after securing rebound. Could someone either correct me that this is a correct call, or point me to an interpretation? ... would like to know the correct call. Official said that since it was an airball there was no reset, and I thought an airball was still a try for goal.

Official was absolutely positively wrong. BDevil15 was absolutely positively correct.

The intent of the three second rule is to not allow an offensive player in the lane to gain an advantage. There is no three second count between the release of a shot, and the control of a rebound, at which time a new count starts. There is no three second count during a throwin. There is no three second count while the ball is in the backcourt. There is a three second count during an interrupted dribble. There is a three second count while an offensive player has one foot in the lane, and one foot outside of the lane, and the three second count continues if this player lifts the foot in the lane so that neither foot is touching inside the lane. To stop the count this player must have both feet touch the court outside of the lane. It’s a violation for a player to step out of bounds in an attempt to avoid a three second violation. Allowance shall be made for a player who, having been in the lane area for less than three seconds, dribbles, or moves immediately to try for goal.

[BDevil15]

Ok thanks, I was sure then she was so sure that I questioned myself and couldn't find it in my case book for that exact instance and wanted to be sure.

Appreciate you officials, and all that you do!

[crosscountry55]

She might be conflating her ruling with shot clock rules. In the case of a shot clock, an air ball does not result in a reset of the shot clock. But in the case of the three seconds rule, this is not a thing.


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[bas2456]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

She might be conflating her ruling with shot clock rules. In the case of a shot clock, an air ball does not result in a reset of the shot clock. But in the case of the three seconds rule, this is not a thing.


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Don't mean to hijack, but are there any states that use a shot clock in middle school games?

[BDevil15]

We are a shot clock state(ca) for high school but we don't use it for middle school.

[ilyazhito]

Same thing applies in DC and MD (and in VA for a few private schools).

For the purposes of the 3-second rule, any try suspends the 3-second count, including an airball. For shot clock purposes, only a try hitting the ring, the flange, or entering the basket resets the shot clock.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

Same thing applies in DC and MD (and in VA for a few private schools).

For the purposes of the 3-second rule, any try suspends the 3-second count, including an airball. For shot clock purposes, only a try hitting the ring, the flange, or entering the basket resets the shot clock.

Suspends means that you would resume the count from where you left off. On any try, the 3-second count is terminated.

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by BDevil15

We are a shot clock state(ca) for high school but we don't use it for middle school.

I hear the vast majority of California's varsity games are officiated by two man crews. I can only imagine how challenging it would be to see all the off-ball screening, rebounding action, in addition to, managing the game and shot clocks.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

I hear the vast majority of California's varsity games are officiated by two man crews. I can only imagine how challenging it would be to see all the off-ball screening, rebounding action, in addition to, managing the game and shot clocks.

All true.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

I hear the vast majority of California's varsity games are officiated by two man crews. I can only imagine how challenging it would be to see all the off-ball screening, rebounding action, in addition to, managing the game and shot clocks.

Sadly true (at least in the greater LA area). My son was fortunate to play in a league that used three. It was always jarring to get to the first couple of rounds of the section playoffs and only have two refs (and generally the two were not as skilled as the three they got in league--it often felt like moving from varsity refs to JV refs). I rarely saw two refs really up to the challenge of managing a high level varsity game.