Delay of Game Warning

[Zoochy]

After the ball comes through the net following A-1’s successful try, A-2 unintentionally taps the ball preventing Team B from readily making a throw-in.
Is this a DOG?
Which BOLD word is more important?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

After the ball comes through the net following A-1’s successful try, A-2 unintentionally taps the ball preventing Team B from readily making a throw-in.
Is this a DOG?
Which BOLD word is more important?

If it is unintentional, it is nothing regardless of the effect.

If it doesn't impact B's ability to make a throw-in, it is nothing.

Only if A intentionally contacts the ball and that contact affects B's ability to make a throw-in does it become a DOG.

[Zoochy]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

If it is unintentional, it is nothing regardless of the effect.

If it doesn't impact B's ability to make a throw-in, it is nothing.

Only if A intentionally contacts the ball and that contact affects B's ability to make a throw-in does it become a DOG.

Ahh....
but my question does say "preventing Team B from readily making a throw-in".

[Nevadaref]

Where in the rules does it say that the interference with the ball must be intentional?

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Where in the rules does it say that the interference with the ball must be intentional?

It doesn’t. However, we’d be lying to ourselves if we claimed this wasn’t a widely accepted interpretation.

No way I’m ever issuing a warning here if it’s unintentional. However, if the ball gets away so that it cannot be retrieved quickly, I’ll stop the clock per whatever rule/case dictates that (cue BillyMac).


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[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

It doesn’t. However, we’d be lying to ourselves if we claimed this wasn’t a widely accepted interpretation.

No way I’m ever issuing a warning here if it’s unintentional. However, if the ball gets away so that it cannot be retrieved quickly, I’ll stop the clock per whatever rule/case dictates that (cue BillyMac).


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Stopping the clock is only one of the two issues. The other is preventing the opponent from quickly inbounding the ball and going on the attack. You whistling for the clock to stop doesn’t restore the ability to attack quickly before the defense sets up.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

I’ll stop the clock per whatever rule/case dictates that (cue BillyMac).

10-3 A player shall not: Delay the game by acts such as: Preventing the ball from being made live promptly or from being put in play.

10-1-5: A team shall not: Allow the game to develop into an actionless contest, this includes
the following and similar acts: Interfering with the ball following a goal after any team warning for delay.

The following acts have their own rule and their own penalty, regardless of the score and time remaining in the game: Crossing the boundary line and knocking the ball out of the inbounder's hands (technical foul), and crossing the boundary line and fouling the inbounder (intentional personal foul), and also tack on a delay warning in the book for either.

10.1.5 SITUATION D: Immediately following a goal by A1, A3 slaps the ball
away so that Team B is unable to make a quick throw-in. RULING: The official
shall sound his/her whistle and go to the table to have the scorer record a team
warning for delay. The warning shall then be reported to the head coach of Team A.
Any subsequent delay by Team A shall result in a team technical foul charged
to Team A. (4-47-3)

2000-01 NFHS Interpretations
SITUATION 15: Immediately following a goal in the first quarter by Al, A3 slaps the ball away so that Team B is unable to make a quick throw-in. In the second quarter, A2 reaches through the inbounds side of the throw-in boundary plane. RULING: The official shall sound his/her whistle and go to the table to have the scorer record a team warning for the specific delay after it has occurred. The specific warning is then reported to the head coach of Team A. Any subsequent delay for interfering with the ball following a basket or throw-in plane violation by Team A shall result in a technical foul charged to Team A. COMMENT: The three warning situations listed in Rule 4-46 are treated separately. (4-46; 9-2-11; lO-1-5c,d)

9.2.10 SITUATION A: A1 is out of bounds for a throw-in. B1 reaches through the boundary plane and knocks the ball out of A1’s hands. Team B has not been warned previously for a throw-in plane infraction. RULING: B1 is charged with a technical foul and it also results in the official having a team warning recorded and reported to the head coach. COMMENT: In situations with the clock running and five or less seconds left in the game, a throw-in plane violation or interfering with the ball following a goal should be ignored if its only purpose is to stop the clock. However, if the tactic in any way interferes with the thrower’s efforts to make a throw-in, a technical foul for delay shall be called even though no previous warning had been issued. In this situation, if the official stopped the clock and issued a team warning, it would allow the team to benefit from the tactic. (4-47-1; 10-1-5b, c; 10-3-10)

10.4.10 SITUATION A: After a field goal, A1 has the ball out of bounds for a throw-in. Thrower A1 holds the ball: (a) B2 crosses the boundary line and fouls A1; or (b) B2 reaches through the out-of-bounds plane and touches the ball while in the hands of A1. RULING: It is an intentional personal foul in (a), and a technical foul in (b). In (a), such a contact foul with the thrower during a throw-in shall be considered intentional, or if it is violent, it should be ruled flagrant. COMMENT: Either act is a foul and it should be ruled as such whenever it occurs during a game without regard to time or score or whether the team had or had not been warned for a delay-of-game situation. If the player making the throw-in (A1) reaches through the out-of-bounds plane into the court and B1 then slaps the ball from the hand of A1, no violation has occurred. B1 has merely slapped a live ball from the hands of A1. (4-19-3, 4; 9-2-10 Penalty 3, 4)

10.4.10 SITUATION B: After a field goal, the score is A-55, B-54. A1 has the ball out of bounds for a throw-in with two seconds remaining in the game. A1 throws the ball toward A2 who also is out of bounds along the end line. B2 reaches across the end line and grabs or slaps the ball while it is in flight. Time expires close to the moment the official indicates the infraction. RULING: A technical foul is charged against B2. The remaining time or whether Team B had been previously warned for a delay-of-game situation is not a factor. No free throws are awarded as the winner of the game has been determined. (9-2-10 Penalty 3, 4)

History: 1985 NCAA Final, Villanova beats Patrick Ewing and Georgetown. "When the scoring team touches the ball after it goes through the basket, officials should end the practice immediately. For those old enough to remember the NCAA men’s final in 1985, the reason is clear. During the game, Georgetown players had been tapping the ball gently toward the Villanova thrower-in after a score. A friendly gesture? Think again. That speeded up play a bit, which was to Georgetown’s liking. However, the real consequence of allowing that practice happened at the end of the game. With five seconds left, the Hoyas scored to cut their deficit to two points. They had no timeouts left, and a Georgetown player slapped the ball away from Villanova. The official blew the whistle to stop the clock. (That was before the rules required the game clock to be stopped after scores in the last minute.) The officials warned Georgetown to leave the ball alone, but that forced Villanova to make a hotly contested throw-in with five seconds left rather than just let the clock run out. It managed the throw-in. But in an interview much later, one of the officials admitted they had been very lucky. By permitting Georgetown to “help” Villanova get the ball after a made basket, it set the stage for the slap of the ball at the end of the game and prompted the reflex whistle when it occurred. The official vowed never again to let even a friendly touch occur in any game he officiates. That is the right plan for all of us. Get the warning done early to prevent any temptations at a critical time and the need for a technical foul."

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Where in the rules does it say that the interference with the ball must be intentional?

How can one interfere with the ball without intent?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by SC Official

How can one interfere with the ball without intent?

The ball could drop through the net and strike a member of the scoring team in the foot or knee causing it to roll away.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

Ahh....
but my question does say "preventing Team B from readily making a throw-in".

I answered that...doesn't matter. Interference is an action taken by team A. Did A do anything? No.

Players will always be around and under the basket on made shots. It would be wholly unreasonable to expect all team A players to instantly vacate the area as the ball dropped through the net.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

After the ball comes through the net following A-1’s successful try, A-2 unintentionally taps the ball preventing Team B from readily making a throw-in.

Maybe an unintentional "tap" isn't the same as an unintentional "hit with the ball on the head"?

Unintentional, or not, a "tap" sounds like a deliberate "act".

"Act" being part of the actual rule: 10-3 A player shall not: Delay the game by acts such as: Preventing the ball from being made live promptly or from being put in play.

Maybe the tap by the player was intentional (getting the ball out of his way), but the delay of game by the player wasn't intentional (he had no intent to delay the game), even though it ended up delaying player from readily making the throwin?

Nice thread. Makes me think.

[zm1283]

I am not issuing a DoG warning against a team that is otherwise doing what they are supposed to do and not intentionally delaying the game. That seems very "plumber" like to me. Don't go picking boogers.

[crosscountry55]

Freddy makes a great point. From time to time I see this and put two and two together. If I see it once, I take a mental note because maybe it was a coincidence. Second time, if I’m feeling generous I might let the coach (or captain if I can’t get to the coach) know that I’m on to him/her/them. If I can somehow communicate this to my partners as well, I will.

After that, I officially warn.


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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Freddy

... players to merely touch the ball in some seemingly innocent manner ... briefly catching the ball then letting it drop, or barely tapping it ...

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

... once, I take a mental note because maybe it was a coincidence. Second time ... let the coach ... know ... After that, I officially warn.

"DON'T TOUCH THE BALL AFTER A BASKET".