OOB violation?

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by billyu2

a. illegal
b. illegal
c. legal if dribble was interrupted

In a and b when you say A1 "retrieves" the ball, I have to assume he has control. Pushing or throwing the ball to the court constitutes a dribble. Returning to the court, "grabbing" the ball and dribbling again would be a violation. He could "continue" the dribble as in c without violating.

a. Is legal. Player retrieves ball..momentum carrying him OB. Player pushes ball to floor. That’s all it says. Legal.

Your applying facts of sit b. No returning to court, grabbing ball and dribbling in sit a.

[billyu2]

Originally Posted by BigCat

a. Is legal. Player retrieves ball..momentum carrying him OB. Player pushes ball to floor. That’s all it says. Legal.

Your applying facts of sit b. No returning to court, grabbing ball and dribbling in sit a.

Okay. Even so, by dictionary definition, "retrieve" means to regain possession. Thumpferee's opening statement said A1 retrieved the ball as his momentum was carrying him OOB. It can be argued that A1, with possession of the ball with both feet on the court, who then pushes the ball to the floor has started a legal dribble and then violated by stepping out of bounds. Compare with 7.1.1 Situation B.

[thumpferee]

Both a and b have A1 stepping OOB, coming back in, grabbing the ball, and then dribbling.

From what I gather, both are the beginning of a dribble while going OOB. When A1 returns to the court and grabs the ball, he cannot legally dribble again. But, he could continue to dribble.

If A1 tipped the ball back into the court, he can do both?

The reason for the question is, I was told A1 cannot dribble at all after coming back onto the court.

I also assume there is no difference between being on the court or in the air as the CB play refers.

Tx

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by thumpferee

... assume there is no difference between being on the court or in the air ...

It depends on where you were before becoming airborne.

You are where you were until you get where you're going.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by thumpferee

Both a and b have A1 stepping OOB, coming back in, grabbing the ball, and then dribbling.

Sorry -- that's not how I read the OP. And, it changes my answer in post 2 above. I'll edit it.

Now, both (a) and (b) are the same situation. What matters is did A1 "retrieve" (i.e., "control") the ball before pushing / throwing it to the floor? Would you have granted a TO if requested at that precise time (and if you were quick enough to react, etc.)? If so, then this action is the start of a dribble, and all "continuing to dribble" and "ending the dribble" rules apply.

Or, did the ball just deflect off of A to the floor? Now, it's not a dribble and A can then catch the ball and now can start a dribble.

It's the same as we see when A1 passes to A2 and A2 does not catch it cleanly. 99% of the time, this is NOT the start of a dribble and A2 can gain control of the ball and then dribble.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by billyu2

Compare with 7.1.1 Situation B.

7.1.1 SITUATION B: A1 blocks a pass near the end line. The ball falls to the floor inbounds, but A1, who is off balance, steps off the court. A1 returns inbounds, secures control of the ball and dribbles. RULING: Legal. A1 did not leave the court voluntarily and did not have control of the ball when he/she did. This situation is similar to one in which A1 makes a try from under the basket and momentum carries A1 off the court. If the try is unsuccessful, A1 may come back onto the court and regain control since A1 did not leave the court voluntarily and did not have control of the ball when he/she did.