2019-2020 POE's

[CJP]

Perhaps limiting the amount of varsity games an official can work per week can have a positive effect on sportsmanship and "new" official retention. This of course would only be possible where there are enough officials to cover games. Local governing bodies can decide. I have a problem with officials working 4-5 nights per week and new guys (with potential) are not advancing. I limit my nights to 3 per week and I think that is plenty.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by CJP

Perhaps limiting the amount of varsity games an official can work per week can have a positive effect on sportsmanship and "new" official retention. This of course would only be possible where there are enough officials to cover games. Local governing bodies can decide. I have a problem with officials working 4-5 nights per week and new guys (with potential) are not advancing. I limit my nights to 3 per week and I think that is plenty.

How would limiting how much independent contractors can work fix sportsmanship?

You're free to limit how many nights you want to work, and other officials are allowed to work 7 nights/week if that's what they want and can get. Officiating is a capitalistic business.

(In South Carolina the state office books all varsity assignments and we are limited to 2/week, but 95% of games here are on Tuesdays and Fridays so it doesn't really matter.)

[CJP]

Originally Posted by SC Official

How would limiting how much independent contractors can work fix sportsmanship?

You're free to limit how many nights you want to work, and other officials are allowed to work 7 nights/week if that's what they want and can get. Officiating is a capitalistic business.

(In South Carolina the state office books all varsity assignments and we are limited to 2/week, but 95% of games here are on Tuesdays and Fridays so it doesn't really matter.)

My logic is that it will help combat the ol' "you will never work here again" attitude if officials are more strict with coaches and players. If an official is worried about not getting games because he addresses poor sportsmanship, then he is probably wants to be working 4-5 nights per week. When coaches are allowed to say and do whatever they want on the sideline, it pours into the crowd and onto the floor.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by CJP

My logic is that it will help combat the ol' "you will never work here again" attitude if officials are more strict with coaches and players. If an official is worried about not getting games because he addresses poor sportsmanship, then he is probably wants to be working 4-5 nights per week. When coaches are allowed to say and do whatever they want on the sideline, it pours into the crowd and onto the floor.

OK???

How is that going to prevent that? I do not work in a system where a coach has much say over who works their games. They might complain to their conference assignor, but they have no say over tournaments, non-conference games or showcases that take place.

And if they say something like that to you, T them up or ignore them. Who cares what a coach says to you when they do not control such an event anyway?

Peace

[CJP]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

OK???

How is that going to prevent that? I do not work in a system where a coach has much say over who works their games. They might complain to their conference assignor, but they have no say over tournaments, non-conference games or showcases that take place.

And if they say something like that to you, T them up or ignore them. Who cares what a coach says to you when they do not control such an event anyway?

Peace

I don't have an assignor. Neither do many of my peers. It is possible to make the wrong coach upset and not get contracts. I think even having the perception that this can happen will deter a brown nosing official from addressing bad behavior. This is not a one size fits all solution. Even if it is a possible solution. It is clear that there are shortages of officials in some areas partly due to poor sportsmanship. Whatever is going on in these areas is not working and a change is due.

[Raymond]

Don't worry, pretty soon you'll be seeing more older, lower level college officials doing more HS games as NCAA Men's is in a full court press to get rid of older officials. As these older officials start working fewer Power 6 conference games and more mid-major and D2 games, it will start pushing other older officials below them either out of officiating or back down the ladder.

I got my first D3 contract at 44, D1 at 45, and D2 at 50. That's not going to be happening anymore.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by CJP

I don't have an assignor. Neither do many of my peers. It is possible to make the wrong coach upset and not get contracts. I think even having the perception that this can happen will deter a brown nosing official from addressing bad behavior. This is not a one size fits all solution. Even if it is a possible solution. It is clear that there are shortages of officials in some areas partly due to poor sportsmanship. Whatever is going on in these areas is not working and a change is due.

Well, I do. Most of Illinois does at this time. And this is not an issue with many conferences. I know assignors that might not put officials in bad situations on purpose. But I know assignors that are not preventing certain officials to go to certain schools. And in those places that have assignors, that does not solve this issue you suggested it would. And I do not know how the NF controls any of that at all. The NF does not assign anything in states.

Actually, I think there are more issues related to a shortage. They found that out when they asked officials in our state that there were other issues.

Peace