Mechanics Creep

[ilyazhito]

North and South Dakota have approved additional signals from the men's and women's college mechanics manuals, such as the punch on player control fouls, hit to the head, 2 hands, and hit on the arm signals. Because North Dakota and Minnesota now use the restricted area arc, they have also adopted the point to arc signal. Maybe more states are approving additional signals on their own.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

North and South Dakota have approved additional signals from the men's and women's college mechanics manuals, such as the punch on player control fouls, hit to the head, 2 hands, and hit on the arm signals. Because North Dakota and Minnesota now use the restricted area arc, they have also adopted the point to arc signal. Maybe more states are approving additional signals on their own.

Mechanics are not a thing that the NF can regulate what states do. This is nothing new or even unique. My state adopted many differences because of what was observed and felt it needed to be changed in basketball and many other sports. Nothing new.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Mechanics are not a thing that the NF can regulate what states do.

JRutledge is correct, otherwise those states that use IAABO mechanics would lose representatives on the NFHS Rules Committees, and in regard to Connecticut, we haven't.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

North and South Dakota have approved additional signals from the men's and women's college mechanics manuals ...

This is a signal that I wanted added to the IAABO Mechanics Manual Signal Chart:



I was told that although some on the four person IAABO International Co-Coordinators of Interpreters liked the idea, it was ultimately not approved, mainly because it was not an approved NFHS signal, and they wanted NFHS and IAABO signals to be as similar as possible.

Old timers here in my little corner of Connecticut were taught, and have been using, this signal for decades, but the young'uns are not being taught the signal.

Coach: "Hey BillyMac, he was going for the ball".

BillyMac: "Didn't you see my signal coach? The intentional foul wasn't for no play on the ball, or for a jersey grab, or a push from behind, or a bear hug, or for contact away from the ball with a player clearly not involved with a play, or for contact with an inbounder. It was for excessive contact".

Coach: "Thanks for the explanation BillyMac. You're doing a great job officiating tonight. By the way, did anyone ever tell you that you look just like George Clooney?".

BillyMac: "Thanks coach. And yes, I'm told that all the time".

[bucky]

You rally don't need the second part. Your arms will come down by default anyway.

Given your officiating prowess, I am surprised that the coach used the word "tonight" in your example.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bucky

You really don't need the second part. Your arms will come down by default anyway.

Not before one strikes a dabbing pose.

Originally Posted by bucky

Given your officiating prowess, I am surprised that the coach used the word "tonight" in your example.

I was having a good night for a change. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

North and South Dakota have approved additional signals from the men's and women's college mechanics manuals, such as the punch on player control fouls, hit to the head, 2 hands, and hit on the arm signals. Because North Dakota and Minnesota now use the restricted area arc, they have also adopted the point to arc signal. Maybe more states are approving additional signals on their own.

I'd be happy to see FED add more "approved" signals if for no other reason than to shut up the blowhards that whine about "unapproved" signals.

I do find it funny that people always talk about wanting the signals that college has. I don't think men's NCAA has many, if any, more "approved" signals than high school. I think people just don't lose as much sleep about it at that level.

At the end of the day, if states see it as a big enough problem, they will make a change on their own or just not care.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SC Official

... states ... will make a change on their own ...

This is another signal that I wanted added to the IAABO Mechanics Manual Signal Chart:



Again, I was told that although some on the four person IAABO International Co-Coordinators of Interpreters liked the idea, it was ultimately not approved, mainly because it was not an approved NFHS signal, and they wanted NFHS and IAABO signals to be as similar as possible.

We've been using this "Connecticut Only" (Connecticut is 100% IAABO) signal for almost thirty years, pointing to the floor for two point field goal attempt when shooter has a foot touching three point line. Sure we could just not give the three point attempt signal (as we do for attempts that aren't close to the three point line), but this extra signal seems helpful to scorekeepers, coaches, and fans.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

This is another signal that I wanted added to the IAABO Mechanics Manual Signal Chart:



Again, I was told that although some on the four person IAABO International Co-Coordinators of Interpreters liked the idea, it was ultimately not approved, mainly because it was not an approved NFHS signal, and they wanted NFHS and IAABO signals to be as similar as possible.

We've been using this "Connecticut Only" (Connecticut is 100% IAABO) signal for almost thirty years, pointing to the floor for two point field goal attempt when shooter has a foot touching three point line. Sure we could just not give the three point attempt signal (as we do for attempts that aren't close to the three point line), but this extra signal seems helpful to scorekeepers, coaches, and fans.

Been using that signal since day one as an official.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Been using that signal since day one as an official.

Personal, or local association, or state association signal?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Personal, or local association, or state association signal?

Common sense communication.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Common sense communication.

I certainly agree that the signal is a good common sense communication tool, which is why I tried to get IAABO International to adopt it officially.

Is this signal taught to your new officials? Is is universally used (accepted) locally, and/or statewide?

I believe that you are an NCAA official, do you use this common sense communication signal in your college games (I don't believe it's a college signal, but I may be wrong, being extremely ignorant in matters of college mechanics)?

[bucky]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Been using that signal since day one as an official.

+1 however I do not necessarily hold it for a great amount of time, maybe about a second. I just point, and in some cases, ever so slightly, bend/lean towards the location.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bucky

+1

Same questions for bucky:

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I'm curious about how universally used (accepted) the signal is for high school games in your local area and/or state?

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Is this signal taught to your new officials?

Why doesn't this signal catch on more universally on the high school level, i.e. NFHS, IAABO, etc.?

Am I missing any negatives about the signal? It seems helpful to scorekeepers, coaches, and fans.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Same questions for bucky:











Why doesn't this signal catch on more universally on the high school level, i.e. NFHS, IAABO, etc.)?



Am I missing any negatives about the signal? It seems helpful to scorekeepers, coaches, and fans.

I wasn't aware there were people NOT usimg this signal.


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