Scorekeeper at Table

[LRZ]

BillyMac must have access to MTD's attic; I don't.

1980, the year I first got certified. I must have never seen that, never even knew it existed.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by LRZ

BillyMac must have access to MTD's attic; 1980, the year I first got certified. I must have never seen that, never even knew it existed.

I actually wasted my time looking for this. All it took was a few clicks of my mouse and I found a NFHS Instructions To And Duties Of Scorers For Basketball Games dated May 11, 2018, that has the exact guideline as the 1980 guideline: During Intermissions: 1) Either the official scorer or a delegated assistant must be at the scorer's table with the official scorebook at all times.

https://www.nfhs.org/media/1018426/2...ers_sheets.pdf

[LRZ]

Nice work, Billy.

Why would NFHS not add that requirement to the rule book? How many people--refs, scorers, ADs, etc.--would look on the NFHS publication page? Not to drag this discussion out, but if the requirement is not in the rule book, but only in some auxiliary publication, how authoritative is it? And, of course, there does not seem to be a penalty for a violation.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by LRZ

Why would NFHS not add that requirement to the rule book? How many people--refs, scorers, ADs, etc.--would look on the NFHS publication page?

Why? Because it's the NFHS. 'Nough said.

[Altor]

Originally Posted by LRZ

Nice work, Billy.

Why would NFHS not add that requirement to the rule book? How many people--refs, scorers, ADs, etc.--would look on the NFHS publication page? Not to drag this discussion out, but if the requirement is not in the rule book, but only in some auxiliary publication, how authoritative is it? And, of course, there does not seem to be a penalty for a violation.

Don't you have an officials' manual that details various mechanics for you to use during game play? Are all those things in the rule book? That's all this publication is, a reference for the duties of the scorekeeper.

Somebody needs to stay with the book that is required to stay at the table so that its integrity isn't compromised. There's nothing more to it than that.

[LRZ]

The rule book outlines the duties of the officials, including scorers, and is the obvious place to look. A document buried on the NFHS website is an obscure source, easily overlooked. If bob jenkins didn't know about it, don't you think that is an indication of the source's obscurity?

I understand the reasoning, thank you. But conceding that protecting the integrity of the scorebook is so critical, wouldn't you think the requirement would appear in a more readily accessible place, like the rule book?

But, if you wish, you can have the last word.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by LRZ

If bob jenkins didn't know about it, don't you think that is an indication of the source's obscurity?

That also surprised me. I even gave thought to the idea that somebody hacked bob jenkins' username and posted using his name.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

I believe the requirement for the Book to remain at the Table was put into the Rules in the late mid-1970s (before the 1976-77 season) but it may have been in the late 1970s.

I remember replacing the Scorer at half time of a boys' VAR game in California, either the 1982-83 season or the 1983-84 season. We hadn't been in the dressing room two minutes when the Visitor's HC was knocking on the door wanting to let us know that the Book was not at the Table. We went out to the Table. The Scorer (the Home HC's wife) was sitting at the Table. I asked her where the Book was and she told me that she had taken it to her husband. I reminded her that the Book was to not leave the Table and she was to retrieve the Book immediately. She looked straight in the eye that she always takes the Book to her husband and that she would not go get it. By this time the Home AD was at the Table. I told that two of them that they had 90 seconds to get return the Book to the Table. The AD told the HC's wife to retrieve the Book and she told him no, . The AD looked at me with a look of exasperation and I told him to replace her. And he did. He was our Scorer of the Second Half. The Home HC was not happy the whole Second Half but he treaded lightly with my partner and me.

MTD, Sr.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I actually wasted my time looking for this. All it took was a few clicks of my mouse and I found a NFHS Instructions To And Duties Of Scorers For Basketball Games dated May 11, 2018, that has the exact guideline as the 1980 guideline: During Intermissions: 1) Either the official scorer or a delegated assistant must be at the scorer's table with the official scorebook at all times.

https://www.nfhs.org/media/1018426/2...ers_sheets.pdf

Thanks. I'll pass it along to this person.