Vid Request: Mich State vs Perdue - hook/hold = F1

[sdoebler]

Only thing I would add is that this was not a "make-up call." Clear displacement cause by the black player on the rebound.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by sdoebler

Only thing I would add is that this was not a "make-up call." Clear displacement cause by the black player on the rebound.

This is why you do not listen to commentators, coaches or players for that matter. They think that we do things with an agenda. A clear foul was called on the rebounding action after the FF1. Even if I dislike the FF1 being called, why would I make another call I did not like. BTW, all three officials looked at the play and must have drawn a similar conclusion. It is a dumb rule, but that is the rule. The best way to change a rule is to keep calling it.

Peace

[bucky]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Nowhere in the rules does it say that is it an automatic intentional (NFHS) or F1 (NCAA-M) foul to grab a jersey.

That's kinda the point, which you are missing of course. It is not needed.

On another note, it is not mentioned in the local newspaper flyer either but you will essentially find it in the NFHS case book around page 28.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bucky

... essentially find it in the NFHS case book around page 28.

4.19.3 SITUATION C: Team A leads by three points with four seconds remaining in the fourth quarter. Team A is to throw-in from a spot out of bounds on the end line. Players begin jockeying for positions just after the official has handed the ball to A1. B1, while trying to deny a pass from A1 to A2 (a) grabs A2’s jersey; or (b) pushes A2 from behind. RULING: In (a) and (b), it is an intentional personal foul designed to keep the clock from starting or to neutralize an opponent’s obvious advantageous position.

[thedewed]

The above is not saying that all grabbing of the Jersey is F1, you need one of those circumstances. This hook and hold deal should be reserved for the situations where there's a danger of somebody getting hurt. I'm not even sure this video is a foul. The hook and hold should be something that last for a period of time and creates fanger

[crosscountry55]

Bothered me that the first player to seek the intertwining of arms was the Purdue player. He peeks back at the MSU player, than reaches his arm down specifically to get it inside his. Did the MSU player then clamp when the rebound shot off to their left? Well maybe. I don’t think so but three officials did, so I’ll defer to them. My point, with apologies for sounding immature, is that the Purdue player started it.

We could mandate that all arm locking is an immediate foul. But then that’s all we’d be looking for and we’d miss lots of other stuff. And we’d be going to the monitor endlessly. There doesn’t appear to be a good solution here. The dubious FF1 rule and interpretations notwithstanding, its uncomfortable to deal with the reality that’s it’s often the second guy who picks up the foul in these situations.


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