Incorrect administration of free throw (inadvertent horn)

[CJP]

A free thrower has the ball at his disposal. 1st of 2 shots. The score keeper inadvertently sounds the horn. A couple of seconds pass with no confusion on the players behalf. The shooter stayed focused on his shot and makes it. No whistle by any of the officials. The crew checks with the table. The crew looks absolutely confused. The administering official waves off the made free throw. In the end, the player made both (3 total) so no harm really. I am 99.999 percent sure it should have counted. Is there something I am missing where it is correct to not count this point?

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by CJP

A free thrower has the ball at his disposal. 1st of 2 shots. The score keeper inadvertently sounds the horn. A couple of seconds pass with no confusion on the players behalf. The shooter stayed focused on his shot and makes it. No whistle by any of the officials. The crew checks with the table. The crew looks absolutely confused. The administering official waves off the made free throw. In the end, the player made both (3 total) so no harm really. I am 99.999 percent sure it should have counted. Is there something I am missing where it is correct to not count this point?

I don't know if I am correct, but I would have counted the first free throw. Given the description, there was a couple seconds worth of time in which the players would have had time to react and given that they did not react, there was no interference by the sounding of the horn, thus play on.

Where this could be tricky is if it was a 2nd shot and a player did not go for a rebound after hearing the horn.

Personally, as soon as that horn sounds, I am stopping the shooter and blowing my whistle so we can address the horn, then we shoot the shots required.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by CJP

I am 99.999 percent sure it should have counted. Is there something I am missing where it is correct to not count this point?

Was the ball live? Did the live ball go through the basket? Was there a violation by either team?

[CJP]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Was the ball live? Did the live ball go through the basket? Was there a violation by either team?

Yes. Yes. No.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Was the ball live? Did the live ball go through the basket? Was there a violation by either team?

Originally Posted by CJP

Yes. Yes. No.

Correct. Correct. Correct. Then count the basket.

[ODog]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Correct. Correct. Correct. Then count the basket.

… and if he misses?

Treat it like a delayed violation and give him another?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by ODog

… and if he misses? Treat it like a delayed violation and give him another?

I'm not going to treat it like a delayed violation, no horizontal fist, no player violated, no distraction from the bench.

However, if I believe that the shooter was distracted by the horn and he misses, I would consider giving him another shot.

But in the original post, I'm not led to believe that the shooter was distracted.

Originally Posted by CJP

... couple of seconds pass with no confusion on the players behalf. The shooter stayed focused on his shot ...

And if he looks distracted pre-shot, I'm following chapmaja's sage advice.

Originally Posted by chapmaja

... as soon as that horn sounds, I am stopping the shooter and blowing my whistle so we can address the horn, then we shoot the shots required.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I'm not going to treat it like a delayed violation, no horizontal fist, no player violated, no distraction from the bench.

However, if I believe that the shooter was distracted by the horn and he misses, I would consider giving him another shot.

But in the original post, I'm not led to believe that the shooter was distracted.



And if he looks distracted pre-shot, I'm following chapmaja's sage advice.

Billy,
You cannot allow the FT to attempt and if he misses give him another try because of the horn. That would be unfair to the opposing team, which didn’t do anything wrong.
Either allow play to continue and the result of the attempt stands or whistle it dead immediately and deal with the horn, then come back and readminister the FT.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Billy,
You cannot allow the FT to attempt and if he misses give him another try because of the horn. That would be unfair to the opposing team, which didn’t do anything wrong.
Either allow play to continue and the result of the attempt stands or whistle it dead immediately and deal with the horn, then come back and readminister the FT.

This.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Billy, You cannot allow the FT to attempt and if he misses give him another try because of the horn. That would be unfair to the opposing team, which didn't do anything wrong. Either allow play to continue and the result of the attempt stands or whistle it dead immediately and deal with the horn, then come back and readminister the FT.

In the original post the horn sounded, seconds passed, and then, undistracted, the shooter shot the free throw.

No reattempt here if he misses.

However, if the horn sounds simultaneously while the shooter is in the act of shooting, and the ball is released before I can whistle it dead, I will consider giving him a another try.

To not do so would be unfair to the rattled shooter, who didn't do anything wrong.

I can penalize a defensive player on the lane making a loud sound while the shooter is in the act of shooting by calling a delayed violation.

I can't penalize the table crew for sounding the horn at the same instant that the shooter is in the act of shooting, releasing it before I can whistle it dead, but I can as sure as hell give him another try if he misses.

One thing I want to stay away from is sounding my whistle after the release, but before the make/miss.

Either way, one coach is going to be pissed off.

"He missed it, how can you give him another one?"

"He made it, how can you not count it?"

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

In the original post the horn sounded, seconds passed, and then, undistracted, the shooter shot the free throw.



No reattempt here if he misses.



However, if the horn sounds simultaneously while the shooter is in the act of shooting, and the ball is released before I can whistle it dead, I will consider giving him a another try.



To not do so would be unfair to the shooter, who didn't do anything wrong. I can penalize a defensive player on the lane making a loud sound while the shooter is in the act of shooting by calling a delayed violation.



I can't penalize the table crew for sounding the horn at the same instant that the shooter is in the act of shooting, releasing it before I can whistle it dead, but I can as sure as hell give him another try if he misses.

If the horn sounds, I'm getting the ball back from the shooter and readministering.


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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rich

If the horn sounds, I'm getting the ball back from the shooter and readministering.

Agree. I would also get the ball back from the shooter, if I could.

I'm saying that the ball is released a split second after the horn sounds, too late to get it back from the rattled shooter because it's on it's way to the hoop.

Unless the ball has an rubber band attached to it (à la Harlem Globetrotters), no chance that we're getting it back from the rattled shooter.

This is a much different situation from the original post where a few seconds passed.

[Jay R]

I like to do like Joe Crawford and run to block his attempt before he can release it. 😉

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Either way, one coach is going to be pissed off.

"He missed it, how can you give him another one?"

"He made it, how can you not count it?"

It's the home school's fault. Make that coach mad.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Jay R

I like to do like Joe Crawford and run to block his attempt before he can release it.

If it works, go for it.

https://youtu.be/204gY7HLqXc