Technicals, team fouls and bonus

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Poor choice of words, just meant to state that one doesn't do both penalties (technical foul penalty and the bonus penalty) for one illegal act (the technical foul), even if the technical foul is the eighth, or eleventh, team foul of the half.

The free throw penalty for a technical foul is 2 shots. Never understood why any official would try to add on the free throw penalty for a common foul.

That's why I always keep the explanation simple: penalize in the order of occurrence. The penalty for a common foul in OP is a throw-in. There is a subsequent technical foul prior to the throw-in. The penalty for a technical foul is 2 shots and a division line throw-in.

I wish officials would use proper terminology and eliminate extra verbiage when teaching, because is cuts down on confusion.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

The penalty for a common foul in OP is a throw-in.

For the life of me, I can't find a common foul anywhere in the original post.

The only foul RefsNCoaches described was a technical foul that happened to be the seventh team foul of the half.

It's pretty simple to figure out order of occurrence when there was only one foul.

Wait. Now I see why you may have mistakenly posted about order of occurrence.

I was wondering about that, thought that I might have missed something, but turns out the post confused me.

[RefsNCoaches]

Thanks for the replies fellas...

Raymond, I'm not shooting any FTs for 6th team foul unless it's a T or shooting foul

So to recap...no additional FTs for a T that creates the the 7th-10th team fouls...just the 2 for the T.

I guess in my opening question, if the 6th foul committed against a shooter in the act of shooting, that was missed, followed by T, then we'd shoot the 2 for the missed shot, then the 2 for the T. But that's the 6th, not the 7th

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

For the life of me, I can't find a common foul anywhere in the original post.

The only foul RefsNCoaches described was a technical foul that happened to be the seventh team foul of the half.

It's pretty simple to figure out order of occurrence when there was only one foul.

Wait. Now I see why you may have mistakenly posted about order of occurrence.

I was wondering about that, thought that I might have missed something, but turns out the post confused me.

I had assumed the only reason to have this discussion would be because of a 6th (or 9th) team foul called immediately prior to the technical.

I didn't realize the question was "do we shoot one-and-one plus 2 for the T" whenever the Tech is the 7th, 8th, or 9th team foul" or "do we shoot 2 free throws plus 2 for the T whenever the Tech is the 10th or greater team foul?"

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

I had assumed the only reason to have this discussion would be because of a 6th (or 9th) team foul called immediately prior to the technical.

Felix Unger, The Odd Couple, Assume, Yada, Yada, Yada ...

(What's worse, mixed metaphors, or mixed television situation comedy references?)

I fully understand. Everything's copacetic.

Communication would be a lot easier and much better if we could discuss these situations over adult beverages at the local gin mill, as God intended, instead of banging away at a keyboard.