NFHS Part 2 Exam

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Matt S.

This.

NCAA tests and quizzes actually ask 'real world,' situational cases that force you into the rules and case books.

The answers for both are D.
These are NFHS rules exams. They test you on the word for word text in the book, not scenarios asking you to make a ruling on a situation.
Basically, if the text is in the book, it is a correct answer on these exams.

[billyu2]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Interesting. I was thinking of this...



I think I mixed up this, where a made goal does make the ball dead, even with an airborne shooter but expiration of time doesn't.

I think the primary point on these questions is that they are all generally true. There are nuanced exceptions. But, that is reading more into the questions than is there.

Camron, I think we discussed this confusion last year. Even if the try was good the ball is not dead until the airborne shooter returns to the floor. Rule 6-7 Exception is correct and the supporting case play is 6.7.4. In part, "Airborne shooter A1's foul is a player control foul which does cause the ball to become dead immediately . . . even if the ball had gone through the basket before the foul."

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by billyu2

Camron, I think we discussed this confusion last year. Even if the try was good the ball is not dead until the airborne shooter returns to the floor. Rule 6-7 Exception is correct and the supporting case play is 6.7.4. In part, "Airborne shooter A1's foul is a player control foul which does cause the ball to become dead immediately . . . even if the ball had gone through the basket before the foul."

I disagree. There is no ambiguity on a made goal making the ball dead....there are no exceptions attached to that line.

You skipped a part in the case citation that changes the meaning.

6.7.4's point about making the ball dead immediately is right. The underlying situation is that the shot was still in flight. They go on to say that even if it wasn't and had already gone in, the goal still doesn't count. That statement does not support the claim that the ball is still live after a made goal.

[Matt S.]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The answers for both are D.
These are NFHS rules exams. They test you on the word for word text in the book, not scenarios asking you to make a ruling on a situation.
Basically, if the text is in the book, it is a correct answer on these exams.

I agree, and that's how I responded. But the answer was not D (at least for one of them...I don't have my paper test with me).

Unfortunately, in my state, they do not provide the correct answer upon submission thru the online portal.

[billyu2]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

An airborne shooter doesn't extend the live ball. it is dead once time expires and the shot ends. The airborne shooter element only extends the opportunity for a personal foul where a dead ball normally eliminates the possibility of personal foul.

B is also true....you blow the whistle, the ball is dead, in general.

This would be true in the case of basket interference by a defender. See 4.19.6 Situation A. Then go to 4.19.9 Situation A and you will see the goal scored by A1 does not cause the ball to be dead. The ball becomes dead when A1 commits a player control foul while returning to the floor.

[billyu2]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I disagree. There is no ambiguity on a made goal making the ball dead....there are no exceptions attached to that line.

You skipped a part in the case citation that changes the meaning.

6.7.4's point about making the ball dead immediately is right. The underlying situation is that the shot was still in flight. They go on to say that even if it wasn't and had already gone in, the goal still doesn't count. That statement does not support the claim that the ball is still live after a made goal.

Correct. The exception is attached to 6-7-7 in regards to a foul which occurs by a defender during a try for goal or by an airborne shooter returning to the floor.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by Stripes33

64. The ball becomes dead, or remains dead, when:
A) Time expires for a quarter or period, unless the ball is in flight for a try for goal.
B) An official's whistle is blown.
C) A player-control foul or team-control foul is called.
D) All of the above.

65. The ball is dead when:
A) A violation is committed by the free-throw team.
B) An official's whistle sounds.
C) Time expires for a quarter, except when a try is in flight.
D) All of the above.

Trying to decipher all the posts. Which answers are true? Did someone try to explain that 64A and 65C are false because there is no mention of the shooter being airborne?

[thumpferee]

Originally Posted by bucky

Trying to decipher all the posts. Which answers are true? Did someone try to explain that 64A and 65C are false because there is no mention of the shooter being airborne?

Yes. In post #6

[bucky]

Originally Posted by thumpferee

Yes. In post #6

When someone shoots and makes a desperation heave before the buzzer, and they do not leave or jump off the ground, are you telling me a ref is not going to count it b/c they were not airborne? Seems laughable if I am understanding that is what posters are saying. And if it is correct by rule, no ref would still enforce that (just as my tagline indicates).

[Mregor]

Originally Posted by bucky

When someone shoots and makes a desperation heave before the buzzer, and they do not leave or jump off the ground, are you telling me a ref is not going to count it b/c they were not airborne? Seems laughable if I am understanding that is what posters are saying.

I don't see where you get that from??? I don't think anyone said that at any point. See Camron's Post #7. They are all true. I just took the test on Wed but haven't received results back. I'll reply in a week with my "official" scoring w/references.

[SNIPERBBB]

In 64 the wording is important. The ball becomes or remains dead when...

Fundamentals of basketball:
16. The official’s whistle seldom causes the ball to become dead (it is already dead)

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bucky

When someone shoots and makes a desperation heave before the buzzer, and they do not leave or jump off the ground, are you telling me a ref is not going to count it b/c they were not airborne? Seems laughable if I am understanding that is what posters are saying. And if it is correct by rule, no ref would still enforce that (just as my tagline indicates).

What does that have to do with the ball becoming dead, which is what the two questions are about?

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[bucky]

Originally Posted by Mregor

I don't see where you get that from??? I don't think anyone said that at any point. See Camron's Post #7. They are all true. I just took the test on Wed but haven't received results back. I'll reply in a week with my "official" scoring w/references.

You are saying that they are all true. Raymond, in post 6, did not agree with that and gave different answers. Then the thread got wacky and things were lost in translation. So, clearly there was disagreement at one point.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

In 64 the wording is important. The ball becomes or remains dead when...

Fundamentals of basketball:
16. The official’s whistle seldom causes the ball to become dead (it is already dead)

Yet, if you blow your whistle to address a hazard on the floor, confer with the scorer, fix a clock error, observe blood on a player, stop the game for an injury, etc. the ball becomes dead when the official blows the whistle. Lots of ways for that to happen.

The correct answer to both is "D...all of the above". All of those events generally cause the ball to become dead. Don't try to parse the words to find a flaw, particularity when two of the 3 are clearly true. By trying to argue that there are two right answers and say the question is bad is just trying to read too much into the question.