Shot clock violation

[BayStateRef]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

But for you guys who work with shot clocks every night, why so many (relatively speaking) questions?

I work in Massachusetts, which uses the shot clock at all levels of high school. But I wouldn't say we get a lot more training and insight than you do Billy.

Our "basic" rule book is the same one you use: which is NFHS. So there is zero in there on the shot clock. The MIAA rule on the shot clock, in its entirety is: "The 30-second shot clock will be utilized at all levels in both boys’ and girls’ games."

To further complicate this, the MIAA has two separate instructions: one dated 2006 that is linked from the current MIAA rule book and a different one (prepared by IAABO) dated 2012 and linked from the MIAA web site. I doubt many officials know this or have seen these. The web site also has a 3-page PDF with a bunch of "real world" shot clock situations -- and I suspect even fewer have seen this.

I carry the IAABO instructions in my bag -- but rarely use them in a pre-game. Shot clock situations are brought up at our association meetings -- but usually when an unusual situation arises. I think we can do a better job here. But in reality, most shot clock situations are simple and easy to handle.

Those of us with college experience bring that knowledge and training to our games. But there are always situations that don't fit perfectly in the rule book and we don't have as many resources to fall back upon. But we do discuss them with our board interpreter or with each other.

The NCAA rule book and the CCA mechanics manual are quite clear on the shot clock. But, just like every other rule, there always will be scenarios that are not precisely spelled out in the rule book or manual.

On those rare nights when I have a shot clock issue, I do my best and explain it to the coaches. And that's always been good enough.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BayStateRef

Those of us with college experience bring that knowledge and training to our games.

Every time I get prep school varsity assignment, I hope and pray that my partner is an NCAA official.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BayStateRef

Our "basic" rule book is the same one you use: which is NFHS. So there is zero in there on the shot clock. The MIAA rule on the shot clock, in its entirety is: "The 30-second shot clock will be utilized at all levels in both boys’ and girls’ games."

Here's what we get:

http://www.iaabo6.org/2017/2017PrepRules.pdf

[ilyazhito]

MPSSAA has a card that lists MD public school shot clock rules in detail. It mentions situations when the shot clock does and does not reset, as well as the MD mercy rule (a 35+ point lead by one team after the start of the 3rd quarter). DC has different rules, and those rules are listed on the MBOA website (an invisible 10-second count using the shot clock for boys, and no 10-second count for girls). Private schools that use a shot clock (WCAC Boys, IAC, MAC, ISL, WCAC Girls) use college shot clock rules of the appropriate gender.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

MPSSAA has a card that lists MD public school shot clock rules in detail. It mentions situations when the shot clock does and does not reset, as well as the MD mercy rule (a 35+ point lead by one team after the start of the 3rd quarter). DC has different rules, and those rules are listed on the MBOA website (an invisible 10-second count using the shot clock for boys, and no 10-second count for girls). Private schools that use a shot clock (WCAC Boys, IAC, MAC, ISL, WCAC Girls) use college shot clock rules of the appropriate gender.

Now I know why some question certain aspects of the shot clock rules, because there are so many variations that vary by level, state, league, and gender.

[ilyazhito]

This is the reason why NCAA has changed the shot clock rules recently, to make the rules more consistent (Both men and women now have a 30 second shot clock with a non-visible 10-second count), even though some minor differences remain (20 seconds on kicked/fisted balls +front court fouls for men vs 30 for all fouls and 15 for kicked/fisted balls for women).

Perhaps the high school shot clock states will go the college route and adopt a non-visible 10 second count for both boys and girls, because I never understood why college women did not have a 10 second count while men did, even though both used a shot clock.

Still, the HS shot clock rulings for different situations are the same as the college rulings (except CA, where all resets are the full length).
Thus, I would say that the OP was a shot clock violation, because the last team with control prior to the shot missing the ring had joint possession of the ball when the shot clock horn sounded, was awarded control, and control with an expired shot clock (and no shot prior to the horn) is a shot clock violation. This would be supported by Rule 2-11-7i of the NCAAW rulebook, which says that the shot clock stops without a reset after "a simultaneous held ball... after an unsuccessful try that does not contact the ring or flange and the alternating-possession arrow favors the team whose try was unsuccessful."

[BayStateRef]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

Still, the HS shot clock rulings for different situations are the same as the college rulings (except CA, where all resets are the full length)

Massachusetts also has a full reset for the shot clock. There's a move to change that to match the NCAA rule, but it is at least three years away (because of deadlines and timelines to change the state rules.)

[ilyazhito]

Seriously? I thought that the IAABO states did either 30/15 or 35/15 for their shot clocks (except for private school games, which follow college shot clock rules), but maybe MA is an exception which will cease to become one in the next rules change cycle.