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Old Wed Nov 07, 2018, 03:27pm
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Shot? Pass? Deflection? Goal? Amount of points?

Team B has 7 team fouls. In a mad scramble, A1 jumps to clearly shoot a 3 point shot. B1, outside of the 3-point line, attempts to deflect the ball and slightly hits the ball. A1, while still in the air, realizes that his shot, with the deflection, will not have very good form, and tries to pass the ball. As A1 throws the ball, the official blows her whistle calling a foul on B1. The passed ball by A1 is deflected by B1 into the basket.

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NFHS outcome?
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Old Wed Nov 07, 2018, 03:44pm
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Assuming the official sees it as you describe -- it wasn't a try, so the ball is dead when the foul happens. Bonus or ball out of bounds to A
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Old Wed Nov 07, 2018, 04:16pm
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Bonus FTs, Bob. His first sentence is that Team B has 7 fouls.
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Old Wed Nov 07, 2018, 05:22pm
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Inadvertent whistle. Ball to A.

From the description, there seems to not be a foul since, as described, B1 hit the ball only. Was there some contact that wasn't described?
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Old Wed Nov 07, 2018, 05:40pm
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Inadvertent whistle. Ball to A.

From the description, there seems to not be a foul since, as described, B1 hit the ball only. Was there some contact that wasn't described?

Camron:

It was not an Inadvertent Whistle. B1 did foul A1. Bob and Nevada gave the correct Ruling for both NFHS and NCAA Men's/Women's.

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Old Wed Nov 07, 2018, 07:42pm
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Camron:

It was not an Inadvertent Whistle. B1 did foul A1. Bob and Nevada gave the correct Ruling for both NFHS and NCAA Men's/Women's.

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Are you sure? I don't see any mention of contact in the OP. Are we assuming there was contact? When you work a game, do you assume there was contact when you see none?

If there was contact, sure, they're right but the OP just doesn't say.
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Old Wed Nov 07, 2018, 08:44pm
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Are you sure? I don't see any mention of contact in the OP. Are we assuming there was contact? When you work a game, do you assume there was contact when you see none?

If there was contact, sure, they're right but the OP just doesn't say.
A foul was called, hence the assumption of contact.

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Old Thu Nov 08, 2018, 03:24am
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A foul was called, hence the assumption of contact.

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Given the way that the question was phrased, it was certainly a possibility, but you had to make assumptions to get there. The question made it clear that the ball was deflected and really seemed to imply there was no contact.
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Old Sat Nov 10, 2018, 05:27am
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Assuming the official sees it as you describe -- it wasn't a try, so the ball is dead when the foul happens. Bonus or ball out of bounds to A
+1 for this
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Old Sat Nov 10, 2018, 08:10am
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+1 for this
Except that I also agree with Camron -- if the official, after blowing the whistle, recognizes that it wasn't a foul, it's an IW the the ball back to A.
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