A screen by any other name.

[Pantherdreams]

Originally Posted by MechanicGuy

Why would they need to give the defender this? Doesn't sound like you're describing a "blind screen" at all....

Unless the defender is stationary, then when offense sets a screen they still must allow time and space for the defense to avoid being contacted by the screen.

Maybe this is a language difference between NFHS and FIBA

Illegal screening is when the player who is screening an opponent:
 Was moving when contact occurred.
 Did not give sufficient distance in setting a screen outside the field of vision of a
stationary opponent when contact occurred.
 Did not respect the elements of time and distance of an opponent in motion when
contact occurred.

If the screen is set within the field of vision of a stationary opponent (front or lateral), the screener may establish the screen as close to him as he wishes, provided there
is no contact.

If the screen is set outside the field of vision of a stationary opponent, the screener must permit the opponent to take 1 normal step towards the screen without making contact.

If the opponent is in motion, the elements of time and distance shall apply. The screener must leave enough space so that the player who is being screened is able to avoid the screen by stopping or changing direction.

The distance required is never less than 1 and never more than 2 normal steps.

A player who is legally screened is responsible for any contact with the player who has set the screen.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

Unless the defender is stationary, then when offense sets a screen they still must allow time and space for the defense to avoid being contacted by the screen.

The only time there needs to be any significant time and space is when the defender is running towards the point of the screen. If they're posting up, they're not moving fast enough to need more than a couple of inches....or the screen was already in the path and legal.

[Pantherdreams]

regardless of how fast minimum distance is still 1 step to ensure player can avoid screen if they are aware and choose to. Even if moving slowly box outs/post ups don’t give the defender the option or opportunity.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

regardless of how fast minimum distance is still 1 step to ensure player can avoid screen if they are aware and choose to. Even if moving slowly box outs/post ups don’t give the defender the option or opportunity.

I'd like to know where you got that. The only place I've seen a 1 step requirement is on a blind screen.

[Pantherdreams]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I'd like to know where you got that. The only place I've seen a 1 step requirement is on a blind screen.

Maybe be a difference in NFHS and FIBA language:

Illegal screening is when the player who is screening an opponent:
 Was moving when contact occurred.
 Did not give sufficient distance in setting a screen outside the field of vision of a
stationary opponent when contact occurred.
 Did not respect the elements of time and distance of an opponent in motion when
contact occurred.

If the screen is set within the field of vision of a stationary opponent (front or lateral), the screener may establish the screen as close to him as he wishes, provided there
is no contact.

If the screen is set outside the field of vision of a stationary opponent, the screener must permit the opponent to take 1 normal step towards the screen without making contact.

If the opponent is in motion, the elements of time and distance shall apply. The screener must leave enough space so that the player who is being screened is able to avoid the screen by stopping or changing direction.

The distance required is never less than 1 and never more than 2 normal steps.

A player who is legally screened is responsible for any contact with the player who has set the screen.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

The distance required is never less than 1 and never more than 2 normal steps.

Different language....

The position will vary and may be one to two normal steps or strides from the opponent.

I don't read that as an absolute minimum, particularly if the players are posting up or boxing out as you asked about in the OP. The distance requirement is, as far as I'm concerned, just not applicable to those situations.

[Pantherdreams]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Different language....



I don't read that as an absolute minimum, particularly if the players are posting up or boxing out as you asked about in the OP. The distance requirement is, as far as I'm concerned, just not applicable to those situations.

So what language other than "never less than" could we be using to make it a more absolute minimum?

Kidding aside we had one of our preseason meetings yesterday and talked about this. Reality we decided, is we have to judge intent a little bit here. If the impeded player is clearly not trying to engage with player boxing out or posting up & is trying to get somewhere else then we need to call screens that are holding/displacing/moving. If they are clearly competing in a physical matchup with that player and the play just results in it acting like a screen we probably aren't going to put air on that.

Also most of our varsity games here are still 2 man so a lot of this is moot as if often happens off ball at times where other things may take priority.