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Old Mon Mar 26, 2018, 07:23pm
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Duke/Kansas Block ?

What do you guys have?
Can you make the case that the defender didnít get his torso square
for ďinitialĒ LGP. Then moved slightly after the shooter left his feet
hence the block call. Been asking most of my ref friends and
itís been unanimous that it should have been a charge.
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Old Mon Mar 26, 2018, 08:10pm
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What do you guys have?
Can you make the case that the defender didnít get his torso square
for ďinitialĒ LGP. Then moved slightly after the shooter left his feet
hence the block call. Been asking most of my ref friends and
itís been unanimous that it should have been a charge.

1) I am a life long KU fan (my beloved mother, Class of 1942).

2) The B1 Established a LGP. Any movement by B1 was within his Cylinder of Verticality. Therefore, a Charge by A1.

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Old Mon Mar 26, 2018, 09:28pm
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Pretty easy charge IMO. I think the calling official leaned block because of the score.
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Old Tue Mar 27, 2018, 07:09am
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Bang-bang play, but PCF in my mind.
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Old Tue Mar 27, 2018, 07:22am
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"I think the calling official leaned block because of the score."

I don't follow. What do you mean, AR?
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Old Tue Mar 27, 2018, 07:57am
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I guess Iím in the minority, but Iím still saying block. I had the defender, specifically his left shoulder, leaning toward and into the ball handlerís path. I think the defender sought out the contact where it occurred.

That said, I havenít watched the play since I DVRíd it on Sunday night. Maybe I donít remember it as well as I think I do.

Roger Ayers advanced. I think maybe JD Collins thought it was a block, too. Actually that whole crew advanced, didnít they?


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Old Tue Mar 27, 2018, 08:53am
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I guess Iím in the minority, but Iím still saying block. I had the defender, specifically his left shoulder, leaning toward and into the ball handlerís path. I think the defender sought out the contact where it occurred.

That said, I havenít watched the play since I DVRíd it on Sunday night. Maybe I donít remember it as well as I think I do.

Roger Ayers advanced. I think maybe JD Collins thought it was a block, too. Actually that whole crew advanced, didnít they?


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I'm more concerned with the lack of foul calls on two Kansas OOB plays and the inconsistent enforcement of traveling on 2 similar plays.
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Old Tue Mar 27, 2018, 08:55am
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"I think the calling official leaned block because of the score."

I don't follow. What do you mean, AR?
Kansas was down at the time. Kansas had been at a foul count disadvantage. Kansas had 2 plays that should have been fouls on Duke that didn't go their way.

Or maybe Roger just missed it.
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Old Tue Mar 27, 2018, 08:57am
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Kansas was down at the time. Kansas had been at a foul count disadvantage. Kansas had 2 plays that should have been fouls on Duke that didn't go their way.

Or maybe Roger just missed it.
I think there is merit to the logic behind going with the block at that point of the game IF the play were a "50/50".

This play, even in real time, was not a 50/50, IMHO.
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Old Wed Mar 28, 2018, 09:50am
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I think the call could have went either way and my first reaction was charge. I have to say it was one of the worst called games I have ever seen. Several no calls and anticipate calls.
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Old Wed Mar 28, 2018, 09:56am
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Kansas was down at the time. Kansas had been at a foul count disadvantage. Kansas had 2 plays that should have been fouls on Duke that didn't go their way.

Or maybe Roger just missed it.
Can you truly "miss" a play like this in real time? The way I see it, whatever call you make is going to piss off half the gym no matter what, regardless of right or wrong.

You can slow it down and break it down on film till the cows come home, but the guys on the court don't have that luxury. IMO in this situation you just have to pick one. Elite Eight, final minutes, everything on the line--just pick one and sell it. That's what Roger did here and I don't have a problem with it.

You could definitely convince me it was a charge though.
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Old Wed Mar 28, 2018, 10:13am
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Here is the play (Video)



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Old Wed Mar 28, 2018, 10:45am
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I tried to view the video. It states it is blocked
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Old Wed Mar 28, 2018, 11:05am
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Player Control and not really that close. Thought so live and on replay.
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Old Wed Mar 28, 2018, 11:09am
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I think the call could have went either way and my first reaction was charge. I have to say it was one of the worst called games I have ever seen. Several no calls and anticipate calls.

Right. And thatís why all three officials advanced to the Final Four, when no other regional final crew did so.

Gimme a break, fanboy with 28 posts in four years.


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