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[deecee]

Originally Posted by LRZ

Well, that's one opinion. The powers that be have tinkered with the pace of play for years. Remember the hashmarks, where we would step in and command, "Play!"?

Maybe it depends on where you find the beauty of the game.

It's not an opinion it's fact. It's evolution. Competitive games require shot clocks (period). The beauty of the game is making it so teams have an incentive to attempt to score. It's not the 90's and no one gives a crap about defensive "fundamentals". Points wins games. Show me a team that has won by scoring less than their opponents and I'll say I'm wrong.

[LRZ]

Originally Posted by deecee

It's not an opinion it's fact. It's evolution. Competitive games require shot clocks (period). The beauty of the game is making it so teams have an incentive to attempt to score. It's not the 90's and no one gives a crap about defensive "fundamentals". Points wins games. Show me a team that has won by scoring less than their opponents and I'll say I'm wrong.

Well, if you say so, it must be true. I alway thought that if you played sound fundamental defense and held your opponent to fewer points than you scored, you'd win.

I like bob's response about when/where a clock is needed--sounds like a reasonable distinction.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by LRZ

Well, if you say so, it must be true. I alway thought that if you played sound fundamental defense and held your opponent to fewer points than you scored, you'd win.

I like bob's response about when/where a clock is needed--sounds like a reasonable distinction.

I never said it's not needed for all levels. I said it's needed for competitive levels. Any play for fun, or participation leagues don't need it. If a league is competitive then the expectation is the kids will get better and move on and up, where shot clocks are used, say college. So get them used to it. I wouldn't use it below 9th grade (and in some cases even in 9th grade). But by the time you get to varsity or competitive travel, shot clock is necessary.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by deecee

I never said it's not needed for all levels. I said it's needed for competitive levels. Any play for fun, or participation leagues don't need it. If a league is competitive then the expectation is the kids will get better and move on and up, where shot clocks are used, say college. So get them used to it. I wouldn't use it below 9th grade (and in some cases even in 9th grade). But by the time you get to varsity or competitive travel, shot clock is necessary.

That's just nonsense. A very, very small percentage of HS players play NCAA basketball. Why gear the game for them rather than the vast majority who will not play after HS?

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Rich

That's just nonsense. A very, very small percentage of HS players play NCAA basketball. Why gear the game for them rather than the vast majority who will not play after HS?

Because MOST, if not ALL, HS players want to play college basketball.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by deecee

Because MOST, if not ALL, HS players want to play college basketball.

How is that even relevant?


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[Kelvin green]

I would be in favor of shot clocks if we use it to eliminate a bunch of other rules. If we eliminate the closely guarded counts, it would be a step in the right direction. ... we need to eliminate the ability to sub after the last of made free throws. We need to eliminate calling time out after a made basket by the scoring team .... But hey that’s me

[ODog]

In Massachusetts, we use a 30-second shot clock for all high school/prep basketball, and for the main 5th-8th grade intercity leagues. It's been that way for at least a decade, possibly quite longer, so it's second nature to all officials, table crews and teams/players involved in at least moderately serious basketball. And yes, the game is wayyyyy better because of it.

I went to a Division I boys state semifinal in Conn. between the supposed top two teams in the state, and the stalling started in the second quarter. It was atrocious. I was getting antsy just watching and felt so relieved that nobody has to endure that nonsense in Mass.

We still use a visible 10-second count for boys games, because though the shot clock starts on a legal touch, NFHS rules dictate that the 10-second count doesn't begin until team control is established inbounds. These are not always at the same time.

No 10 seconds for girls when a shot clock is being used. They can dribble out all 30 in the backcourt if they want.

The game is more difficult to officiate, because you have one more thing to constantly be aware of -- and one more thing for the table to screw up -- and the learning curve will be steep if it is instituted nationwide, but it absolutely makes the game better and more fun to officiate.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by deecee

It's not an opinion it's fact. It's evolution. Competitive games require shot clocks (period).

Very funny definition of opinion and fact.