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[LRZ]

Well, that's one opinion. The powers that be have tinkered with the pace of play for years. Remember the hashmarks, where we would step in and command, "Play!"?

Maybe it depends on where you find the beauty of the game.

[ilyazhito]

Originally Posted by LRZ

Well, that's one opinion. The powers that be have tinkered with the pace of play for years. Remember the hashmarks, where we would step in and command, "Play!"?

Maybe it depends on where you find the beauty of the game.

What are you talking about? It seems as if three sports have been mashed together: baseball, because baseball umpires command "Play!" whenever the ball is dead, football, because football fields have hashmarks on which the ball is spotted, and basketball.

The shot clock would reduce the need for any other pace of play rules, because a team that plays under time constraints all game long, whether from the shot clock, or from the game clock when there is less time on the game clock than on the shot clock, will not be likely to stall and drag down the pace of play. The shot clock still gives a team the opportunity to play fast or slow, but it limits how slow the game can be, to reward both good offensive and good defensive play.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

What are you talking about? It seems as if three sports have been mashed together: baseball, because baseball umpires command "Play!" whenever the ball is dead, football, because football fields have hashmarks on which the ball is spotted, and basketball.

He's talking about the rules as they used to be.

The shot clock would reduce the need for any other pace of play rules, because a team that plays under time constraints all game long, whether from the shot clock, or from the game clock when there is less time on the game clock than on the shot clock, will not be likely to stall and drag down the pace of play. The shot clock still gives a team the opportunity to play fast or slow, but it limits how slow the game can be, to reward both good offensive and good defensive play.

The shot clock is needed where the game is *more* abouth the entertainment and where you can recruit who plays for you.

At levels where it's all about who lives close and chooses not to participate in another activity, then the teams should be allowed more freedom to compete as they see fit -- and if that means a slowdown, so be it.

[LRZ]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

What are you talking about? It seems as if three sports have been mashed together: baseball, because baseball umpires command "Play!" whenever the ball is dead, football, because football fields have hashmarks on which the ball is spotted, and basketball.

You are going to make MTD go up into his attic. There was a time when courts had hashmarks along each side line. If a team held the ball beyond them and made no attempt to penetrate, and the defense sat back, we would, at some point, step in and tell the defense to come out and "play." Or so I remember it.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by LRZ

Well, that's one opinion. The powers that be have tinkered with the pace of play for years. Remember the hashmarks, where we would step in and command, "Play!"?

Maybe it depends on where you find the beauty of the game.

It's not an opinion it's fact. It's evolution. Competitive games require shot clocks (period). The beauty of the game is making it so teams have an incentive to attempt to score. It's not the 90's and no one gives a crap about defensive "fundamentals". Points wins games. Show me a team that has won by scoring less than their opponents and I'll say I'm wrong.

[LRZ]

Originally Posted by deecee

It's not an opinion it's fact. It's evolution. Competitive games require shot clocks (period). The beauty of the game is making it so teams have an incentive to attempt to score. It's not the 90's and no one gives a crap about defensive "fundamentals". Points wins games. Show me a team that has won by scoring less than their opponents and I'll say I'm wrong.

Well, if you say so, it must be true. I alway thought that if you played sound fundamental defense and held your opponent to fewer points than you scored, you'd win.

I like bob's response about when/where a clock is needed--sounds like a reasonable distinction.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by LRZ

Well, if you say so, it must be true. I alway thought that if you played sound fundamental defense and held your opponent to fewer points than you scored, you'd win.

I like bob's response about when/where a clock is needed--sounds like a reasonable distinction.

I never said it's not needed for all levels. I said it's needed for competitive levels. Any play for fun, or participation leagues don't need it. If a league is competitive then the expectation is the kids will get better and move on and up, where shot clocks are used, say college. So get them used to it. I wouldn't use it below 9th grade (and in some cases even in 9th grade). But by the time you get to varsity or competitive travel, shot clock is necessary.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by deecee

I never said it's not needed for all levels. I said it's needed for competitive levels. Any play for fun, or participation leagues don't need it. If a league is competitive then the expectation is the kids will get better and move on and up, where shot clocks are used, say college. So get them used to it. I wouldn't use it below 9th grade (and in some cases even in 9th grade). But by the time you get to varsity or competitive travel, shot clock is necessary.

That's just nonsense. A very, very small percentage of HS players play NCAA basketball. Why gear the game for them rather than the vast majority who will not play after HS?

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Rich

That's just nonsense. A very, very small percentage of HS players play NCAA basketball. Why gear the game for them rather than the vast majority who will not play after HS?

Because MOST, if not ALL, HS players want to play college basketball.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by deecee

Because MOST, if not ALL, HS players want to play college basketball.

How is that even relevant?


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[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by deecee

It's not an opinion it's fact. It's evolution. Competitive games require shot clocks (period).

Very funny definition of opinion and fact.